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To: ponyespresso
1) Did God foreknow that these two girls would be murdered? Did He know the exact time and place it would happen?

IMO Yes. God is omniscient. His omniscience is not limited to the preesent. He knows everything that there is to know about the past, the present and the future.

2) Did God foreordain these murders to happen?

IMO yes. Everything that happens is foreordained. If God does not ordain something it does not happen. It is allowed to happen because God has ordained it so.

Did God, in setting up His plan for the world from the beginning of time, engineer the exact situation where the murderer(s) of these two girls and the girls themselves would meet, and from that meeting, did God know the outcome of that meeting that He Himself engineered?

IMO if you think that God "caused" this to happen, then the answer is no. The evil perpetrators caused this to happen. God allowed it to happen because in the end, it will work together for good. We don't know why, we have to trust God on that one.

3) Or did God foreknow these girls would be murdered, but somehow did not foreordain them to be murdered? And, if so, please tell me how exactly this might work.

Foreordination does not mean that God forced the incident to happen. IMO it means that God saw the situation and how the situation would ulitmately work to His Glory and he then foreordained it. Then as a result of God's permissive will, it happened.

God also foreordained that you would ask the question.

19 posted on 08/18/2002 7:04:35 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Everything that happens is foreordained. If God does not ordain something it does not happen. It is allowed to happen because God has ordained it so.

IMO if you think that God "caused" this to happen, then the answer is no. The evil perpetrators caused this to happen. God allowed it to happen because in the end, it will work together for good. We don't know why, we have to trust God on that one.

I am confused. God "foreordained" these two 10 year old girls to be murdered but did not "cause" it. Maybe I'm not understanding the difference between the words "foreordained" and "caused".

If God, in setting up His plan for the world from the beginning of time, engineer the exact situation where the murderer(s) of these two girls and the girls themselves would meet, and from that meeting, God knew the outcome of that meeting that He Himself engineered, then didn't God "cause" these two schoolgirls to be murdered?

29 posted on 08/18/2002 1:35:02 PM PDT by ponyespresso
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