Posted on 08/12/2002 12:59:08 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
I, too, demand a recount on this one. I've had some really good dogs in my life. A good dog is among the very neatest of God's creations.
It's a matter of faith on my part, but I'm gonna go on record saying there will be dogs in heaven. :-) (And, I'm thinking there will be bass fishing, too.)
It was created for all mankind as the Lord Jesus tells us:
Mar 2:27 And He said to them, The sabbath came into being for man's sake, and not man for the sabbath's sake.
Again, using a literal interpetation Jesus plainly says that the sabbath came into creation for man, mankind, not just Israel. Jesus could have said Israel, or Judea. It does not show up with Abraham, Issac or Jacob!
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Abraham literally kept God's statutes, laws and commandments. Interestingly the word translated "laws" is the Hebrew word torah. So here is the bible telling us that Abraham kept the torah, part of which is sabbath observance. Apparently Abraham learned from somewhere what God's laws and commandments were, apparently either through oral tradition or divine revelation.
I see no commandment there indicating that the Sabbath was still to be observed.
Biblically nobody ever stopped observing the sabbath. It was only in post biblical times that the practice stopped and/or was transferred to Sunday.
The Lords day for the Christian would be Sunday (due to the Resurrection) but that is not the Sabbath day (7th day)
That's a nice tradition I guess, but God never blessed and sanctified the 1st day or commanded us to observe it. It was established by the Roman church as part of their sacred tradition and most protestants subsequently chose and continue to choose to honor it.
Now, the context in that passage (Mark 2) was that Christ and His disciples were being accused of violating the Sabbath by taking corn from a field.
Christ retorts that the 'Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath' showing that what they had done was lawful, espically since He was 'Lord also of the Sabbath'
Only the Nation of Israel had been commanded to keep the Sabbath.
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Abraham literally kept God's statutes, laws and commandments. Interestingly the word translated "laws" is the Hebrew word torah. So here is the bible telling us that Abraham kept the torah, part of which is sabbath observance.
Well, so much for 'literal reading'!
Not for Abraham it wasn't!
The Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ(Jn.1:17)
Apparently Abraham learned from somewhere what God's laws and commandments were, apparently either through oral tradition or divine revelation.
Apparently ? The first mention of the Sabbath is in Ex.16:29 See, for that the Lord hath given the sabbath...
I see no commandment there indicating that the Sabbath was still to be observed. Biblically nobody ever stopped observing the sabbath. It was only in post biblical times that the practice stopped and/or was transferred to Sunday.
Well, 'Biblically' I see no mention of anyone in the Bible but a Jew observing the Sabbath.
In fact, Paul warns the Colossians against observing sabbath days!(Col.2:16) since they have been put away for the Church age (vs.17)
The Lords day for the Christian would be Sunday (due to the Resurrection) but that is not the Sabbath day (7th day) That's a nice tradition I guess, but God never blessed and sanctified the 1st day or commanded us to observe it. It was established by the Roman church as part of their sacred tradition and most protestants subsequently chose and continue to choose to honor it.
It would seem that the Churces were gathering on the first day of the week since Paul gives instructions to gather money on that day for him. (1Cor.16:2)
We know that there are horses! (Rev.19)
AACCKK! You need to put him down, quick, for his own good. ;^)
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (KJV)
It seems that when God was giving the Ten Commandments to Israel that He took His Creation account literally. He is telling Israel, I created everything in six literal days and then rested (ceased from His work of Creation) on the seventh literal, 24-hour day, you[Israel] are to do the same.
Like I said before, Christ could have easily said that the Sabbath was made for Jews, or Israel, but instead the word used is the greek "anthropos", mankind, or human beings.
Only the Nation of Israel had been commanded to keep the Sabbath.
Really? It's one of the 10 commandments that are written into our hearts under the terms of the new covenent isn't it?
Not for Abraham it wasn't!
The Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
Well I guess you could look up torah and see what it encompasses and then you'll see how aware Abraham was of God's laws.
Well, 'Biblically' I see no mention of anyone in the Bible but a Jew observing the Sabbath.
Notwithstanding the fact that the first Christians were Jews:
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue on every sabbath persuading both Jews and Greeks.
Jews and Greeks were listening to Pauls sermons on the sabbath.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Gentiles were attending services on the sabbath here.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
An entire city is observing the sabbath.
It's true that not much is recorded in the bible of anything happening on the sabbath except worshipping, but basically that's all they did on the day...worship and rest, stay at home. There wasn't much going on.
In fact, Paul warns the Colossians against observing sabbath days!(Col.2:16) since they have been put away for the Church age (vs.17)
Col 2:16 Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of a feast, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths.
Col 2:17 For these are a shadow of things to come, but the body of Christ.
Paul is telling the Colossians not to let anyone judge them in how they keep the sabbath, not that the sabbath is done away with. Paul says they ARE a shadow of things to come, not WERE a shadow of things to come. The sabbath actually is a shadow of something to come...it's a little mini-reminder that God will establish his 1000 year old millenial kingdom on earth plus it foreshadows the rest we will have when we are given glorified bodies.
It would seem that the Churces were gathering on the first day of the week since Paul gives instructions to gather money on that day for him. (1Cor.16:2)
1Co 16:1 And concerning the collection for the saints, as I charged the churches of Galatia, so also you do.
1Co 16:2 On the first of the sabbaths let each of you put by himself, storing up what ever he is prospered, so that there may be no collections when I come.
Well since we know that it was Pauls custom to preach on the sabbath:
Act 17:2 And according to Paul's custom, he went in to them and reasoned with them out of the Scriptures on three sabbaths,
And since nobody was supposed to work on the sabbath it makes sense that they would start gathering their collection of foodstuffs, clothing, money whatever on the first day of the week. This would give them all week to get it done so they would be ready when Paul got there on the sabbath.
Look, I've heard these same arguments dozens of times. I had the same arguments once. I'm really not interested in reshashing them. So if you want to get the last word in that's fine with me. :-).
You can read this booklet if you like, God's Sabbath Rest , it addresses most if not all of the objections you'll have.
They are not actually in heaven, but are mentioned as part of the Millennial Kingdom where the lion and wolf's nature are changed (Isa.11:6)
In Revelation 19 we see horses actually coming out of heaven! Marantha!
I do not do any fishing (my father just took Bass fishing up though!)
Christ did after all pick quite a few fishermen to be his disciples!
The sabbath ("cessation") appears in Scripture as the day of God's rest in the finished work of creation. Genesis 2:2,3. For 2500 years of human life absolutely no mention is made of it. Then the sabbath was revealed ; Exodus 16:23; Nehemiah 9:13,14, made a part of the law Exodus 20:8-11 and invested with the character of a "sign" between Jehovah and Israel, and a perpetual reminder to Israel of their separation to God Exodus 31:13-17. It was observed by complete rest Exodus 35:2,3 and by Jehovah's express order a man was put to death for gathering sticks on the sabbath day. Numbers 15:32-36. Apart from maintaining the continued burnt-offering Numbers 28:9, and its connection with the annual feasts ; Exodus 12:16; Leviticus 23:3,8; Numbers 28:25 the seventh day sabbath was never made a day of sacrifice, worship, or any manner of religious service. It was simply and only a day of complete rest for man and beast, a humane provision for man's needs. In Christ's words, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." Mark 2:27.
(2) Our Lord found the observance of the day encrusted with rabbinical evasions Matthew 12:2 and restrictions, wholly unknown to the law, so that He was Himself held to be a sabbath breaker by the religious authorities of the time. The sabbath will be again observed during the kingdom age Isaiah 66:23.
(3) The Christian first day perpetuates in the dispensation of grace the principle that one-seventh of the time is especially sacred, but in all other respects is in contrast with the sabbath. One is the seventh day, the other the first. The sabbath commemorates God's creation rest, the first day Christ's resurrection. On the seventh day God rested, on the first day Christ was ceaselessly active. The sabbath commemorates a finished creation, the first day a finished redemption. The sabbath was a day of legal obligation, the first day one of voluntary worship and service. The sabbath is mentioned in the Acts only in connection with the Jews, and in the rest of the N.T. but twice. Colossians 2:16; Hebrews 4:4. In these passages the seventh day sabbath is explained to be to the Christian not a day to be observed, but a type of the present rest into which he enters when "he also ceases from his own works" and trusts Christ.
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