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To: NYer
….if God has intended that man should learn His religion from a book - the Bible - surely God would have given that book to man; Christ would have given that book to man. Did He do it?

II Timothy 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (KJV)

Yes, He did.

Christ did not say, "Sit down and write Bibles and scatter them over the earth, and let every man read his Bible and judge for himself."

II Timothy 2:
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (KJV)

Acts 17:
[11] These [the Bereans] were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (KJV)

Yes, He did.

Ever since the Sixteenth Century there have been springing up religion upon religion, and churches upon churches, all fighting and quarreling with one another.

I sure am glad that there is no fighting and quarreling going on within the Catholic church (SSPX, CMRI, Sedevacantists, modernists, etc.)

The Catholic religion had existed sixty-five years before the Bible was completed, before it was written.

There is no proof of this. There may have been a catholic faith, but not a Catholic faith at the time of the Apostles.

But how did they know what they had to do to save their souls?

Ephesians 4:
[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (KJV)

There were the OT Scriptures and these different teaching gifts in the church at that time. The revelatory gifts, Prophecy, Knowledge, and Tongues, were given until the NT Scriptures were complete. (I Cor 13:8-10) God did not leave His saints without a Guide.

Was it from the Bible that they learned it? No, because the Bible was not written.

See above. The OT Scriptures were written by this time as well.

And would our Divine Saviour have left His Church for sixty-five years without a teacher, if the Bible is the teacher of man?

John 16:
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (KJV)

No one has ever said that Jesus left us without a teacher or that the Bible is our teacher. The Holy Ghost is our teacher and the Bible is His textbook.

Now, my dear friends, none of the Apostles ever read the Bible; not one of them except, perhaps, Saint John. For all of them had died martyrs for the Faith of Jesus Christ and never saw the cover of a Bible. Every one of them died martyrs and heroes for the Church of Jesus before the Bible was completed.

Why does this man continue to give the idea that the Bible is only the NT? The OT Scriptures were available.

In all that time the people did not know what constituted the Bible.

Didn’t they? Weren’t the Epistles in circulation? Weren’t the Gospels in circulation? The people knew, the council, or whatever he is referring to, merely ratified what the churches already knew.

And, therefore, they did not know what constituted the books of the Bible.

Yes, they did.

You would exclaim: "The Lord save us! And can we not go to Heaven without that book?" The answer would be: "No; you must have the Bible and read it."

This is just ridiculous. No one says that you can’t get to Heaven unless you own a Bible.

Yes, but are you sure you have a faithful translation?

Yes.

What a teacher, with thirty thousand errors!

You’d think with 30,000 errors, that this guy could have listed a few.

The Lord save us from such a teacher!

Halfway through this article I am saying the same thing.

You say the Bible is your guide, but you do not know if you have it.

Yes, I do.

14 posted on 08/12/2002 9:32:16 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
II Timothy 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
(KJV)

You neglected to include the two preceding verses which develop this.

"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14–15).

Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it—Paul himself—and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy.

24 posted on 08/12/2002 10:30:28 AM PDT by NYer
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To: ksen
The Holy Ghost is our teacher and the Bible is His textbook.

If I take this to mean that anyone asking for a proper interpretation will receive one from God, then the multiplicity of interpretations, should give people a gnawing suspicion that the Holy Spirit has not been doing his job very well.

26 posted on 08/12/2002 10:45:47 AM PDT by NYer
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