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To: fortheDeclaration
Calvinist soul-winners do not preach like Calvinists, they preach like Arminians, as if every individual they are speaking to has a choice to make.

One more time (after saying it hundreds of times)

Where has any Calvinist ever said that man does not have to make a choice.........show me dec..


39 posted on 08/07/2002 7:51:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; xzins; Revelation 911; winstonchurchill; The Grammarian
Where has any Calvinist ever said that man does not have to make a choice.........show me dec

THATS WHY THE 'U' IS IN 'TULIP' IS CALLED 'UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION' AND WHY THE 'I' IS CALLED 'IRRESISTABLE GRACE' MAN CHOOSES NOTHING, GOD DOES THE CHOOSING!

42 posted on 08/08/2002 12:59:53 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: RnMomof7; xzins; Revelation 911; winstonchurchill
This is from Book 3,chapter 23 of the Institutes. It shows who the author of sin is in Calvinism,
They again object, Were not men predestinated by the ordination of God to that corruption which is now held forth as the cause of condemnation? If so, when they perish in their corruptions they do nothing else than suffer punishment for that calamity, into which, by the predestination of God, Adam fell, and dragged all his posterity headlong with him. Is not he, therefore, unjust in thus cruelly mocking his creatures? (emphasis mine) all the sons of Adam fell into that state of wretchedness in which they are now involved; and this is just what I said at the first, that we must always return to the mere pleasure of the divine will, the cause of which is hidden in himself. But it does not forthwith follow that God lies open to this charge.
There is your 'choice'

Calvin — The grace offered by the Lord is not merely one which every individual has full liberty of choosing to receive or reject, but a grace which produces in the heart both choice and will (Book 2, Chap 3, Sec 13)

In other words, no choice since the choice has already been made by God.

47 posted on 08/08/2002 5:00:53 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: RnMomof7; xzins; winstonchurchill; Revelation 911; The Grammarian
My earlier post lost a couple of words, here is the entire paragraph.

Bk3,chap.23. 4. They again object, Were not men predestinated by the ordination of God to that corruption which is now held forth as the cause of condemnation? If so, when they perish in their corruptions they do nothing else than suffer punishment for that calamity, into which, by the predestination of God, Adam fell, and dragged all his posterity headlong with him. Is not he, therefore, unjust in thus cruelly mocking his creatures? I admit that by the will of God all the sons of Adam fell into that state of wretchedness in which they are now involved; and this is just what I said at the first, that we must always return to the mere pleasure of the divine will, the cause of which is hidden in himself.

49 posted on 08/08/2002 5:16:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: RnMomof7
Where has any Calvinist ever said that man does not have to make a choice

Huh? What "choice" do you Calvinists have? I thought the entire point was that God makes all the choices? Don't you teach that His Grace is "Irresistable"? Don't you believe in "unconditional election"? Where is the choice in that?

SD

54 posted on 08/08/2002 6:18:06 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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