WOMEN PRIEST - FOLLOW UP

USA TODAY ^ | August 6, 2002

[NYer]

The Vatican has excommunicated seven women who claim to be priests and refuse to repent, saying Monday that the group had "wounded" the Roman Catholic Church.

The women

[Notwithstanding]

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[BeAllYouCanBe]

"the women did not "give any indication of amendment or repentance for the most serious offense they had committed,"

OK, make a mockery of the church and that’s just fine no need to repent. Talk about being arrogant these women are not in the real world. Why don't they just become Unitarians and save us their mental anguish?

[NYer]

One of the women, Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, described the Vatican decision as "a further act of discrimination against women in the Catholic Church."

In a related story, dated July 1, from The Age newspaper in Australia.

Controversial Argentine bishop Romulu Braschi (2nd R) is flanked by (R-L), newly ordained priests Gisela Forster, Iris Mueller, Ida Raming and Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger.

Twelve women from Austria, Germany and the US were ordained as Catholic priests on a pleasure boat on the Danube on Saturday, despite the threat of excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church.

The ordination, on the German-Austrian border was fiercely opposed by bishops from both countries.

"Women make up half of all Christians. If this ordination does not effectively conform to the laws of the church, it goes against tradition and not against faith," said spokeswoman and former nun Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger.

Austrian bishops say the ordination of women goes against Catholic law.

"It is a sectarian deception which has created a schism with the Catholic Church," said Maximilian Aichern, Bishop of Linz in northern Austria.

In a message that was read out in all the churches in his diocese last week, he warned the candidate "priestesses" against "a simulated ordination which would create a fundamental split with the church".

The controversy comes amid a crisis in the Austrian priesthood. Last year, only 23 priests were ordained in a country that has six million Catholics in a population of eight million.

[eastsider]

Any word on how many congregants the American she-priest, Angela White, is drawing? What diocese is she from, and how is the bishop there handling the situation -- if at all?

[BeAllYouCanBe]

"What diocese is she from?"

What seminary did she attend?

[NYer]

Any word on how many congregants the American she-priest, Angela White, is drawing?

The women said they had followed a three-year program of theological and spiritual preparation. Actually, "Angela White" is the assumed name of Adelinde Theresia Roitinger, an Austrian born American.

Just to show you how "kookie" these women are, the spokesperson, Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, is a former nun who is now married with children AND believes her ordination to be valid.

I will post a separate thread from an eyewitness to the ordination.

[Desdemona]

"The women said they had followed a three-year program of theological and spiritual preparation."

Whoa! Three-year? Theological and spiritual preparation?

And they think that qualifies them? The least they could have done is cut their hair, tape their breasts, wear pants and sneak into seminary.

[Mike Fieschko]

Why don't they just become Unitarians and save us their mental anguish?

[SoothingDave]

Mayr-Lumetzberger, who is acting as spokeswoman for the group, said the women would appeal the decision.

Um, appeal to whom, exactly?

SD

[Loyalist]

Whoa! Three-year? Theological and spiritual preparation?

No doubt courtesy of the St. Barnabas of Mail-Order Seminary of the Independent Western Orthodox Continuing Old Roman Catholic Celtic American National Liberal Apostolic Universal Church and His Exalted Worship the Lord High Metropolitan Patriarch Prime Archbishop & Exarch of the Diocese of California, Jerusalem, Utrecht, Moose Jaw & Yonkers! (Consecrated through 17 lines of apostolic succession with a certificate of authenticity from the Franklin Mint!)

[MissMillie]

Mmmmm so you can be a male priest and molest kids, and not be excommunicated but have a uterus be gone with you?

[SoothingDave]

Mmmmm so you can be a male priest and molest kids, and not be excommunicated but have a uterus be gone with you?

Those who engage in mortal sin (like sexual abuse) place themselves outside of Communion. There is no mistaking this, and the sinner is surely aware of such.

On the other hand, these women are not aware, and needed to be informed, that their actions had placed them outside of Communion.

SD

[Desdemona]

"these women are not aware, and needed to be informed, that their actions had placed them outside of Communion."

Come on, Dave, they're like perpetual toddlers who have to keep pushing the edge of the envelope. They knew what they were doing was wrong. It was more of a dare than anything else. The Vatican called them on it.

[SoothingDave]

They knew what they were doing was wrong. It was more of a dare than anything else. The Vatican called them on it.

I really wonder sometimes exactly how much these folks understand. But, you are probably right that they expected such. I am also sure that there are many mushheaded folks out there who think that ordaining priestesses is a possibility. This sends a clear message to them that it is not.

SD

[NYer]

Mmmmm so you can be a male priest and molest kids, and not be excommunicated but have a uterus be gone with you?

Point 1. The legitimately ordained male priests in my diocese who acknowledged molesting kids, have been removed from the active priesthood. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church

1583 It is true that someone validly ordained can, for a just reason, be discharged from the obligations and functions linked to ordination, or can be forbidden to exercise them; but he cannot become a layman again in the strict sense,[75] because the character imprinted by ordination is for ever. The vocation and mission received on the day of his ordination mark him permanently.

Point 2. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church,

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."[66] The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.[67] The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.[68]

The 7 women "ordained" in June, are all supposedly educated in church doctrine. They chose to proceed with this mockery, in defiance of church teaching. The church gave them a period in which to repent. "Because the women ... did not give any indication of amendment or repentance for the most serious offence they had committed...they have incurred excommunication," Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a papal right-hand man, said in a press release from the Vatican.

Is that easier to understand?