[RnMomof7]

No one has said that any of those men were not saved. But that being said does not excuse one fron correct doctrine.Any doctrine that points to man as the author and finisher of his own salvation is heresy and error

[xzins]

I agree with you. Each of us should have a mind toward improving our understanding of God's word. We should "study to show ourselves approved."

But think of the enormity of what Spurgeon says here. He says that Wesley was at an apostolic level and had won Spurgeon's undying admiration. He was calling Wesley an EFFECTIVE TOOL in the hands of God; effective in bringing souls into the kingdom.

I simply don't know Spurgeon well, but it seems he considered evangelism & mission critical areas of obedience that overrode a host of errors.

[JohnnyM]

I only consider belief that discounts His death or Resurrection, takes away the deity of Christ, Christ not being the only way to Salvation, or denying Him as the Son of God as true heresy. You cannot believe the above and be saved. If however, I believe in the fact that God will not violate my free will, does that mean I am a heretic? If I believe in strict Predestination does that mean I am a heretic? What about post-trib vs pre-trib? Do these beliefs mean I do not love the Lord? I will always be up for healthy debate on the issue, because debate helps us to better understand what we believe and will cause us to seek Him for the answers, or at least should cause us to seek Him for the truth. I know from hearing the discussion on Calvinism vs Arminianism (predestination vs free will), that it has caused to me seek His Word and His truth on the matter. The Calvinist have caused me to reevaluate certain Scriptures, which is ALWAYS a good thing, although I still dont agree with them on certain points. I also dont agree with all the points of Arminianism. When, however, the debate turns into character assassinations or name calling, that is when division can occur, and our unity is lost. I know that both sides love the Lord, and on that we should stand.

JM