[ponyespresso]

It is, however, the necessary conclusion of Arminianism.

What, then, is the "necessary conclusion" of Calvinism? I think it would be that we are all just puppets in God's little theater, with God up there pulling the strings and us having no say in the script. Which is espically frustrating when you know that, because God/Puppetmaster chooses a few special puppets before the show even starts, these certain puppets can flub their lines as much as they want and still make it to the aftershow party.

Well, if I have to choose between a God who is a failure, but at least shows His love to his creation by trying to help (as you put it, and for the record you are wrong, but here we are), or a God who is just a big, bullying puppetmaster, I'll take the God who is a failure every time.

My own father failed at a lot of things, but I always knew he loved me. And, because of that, I love him. I'll take that over anything, anyday.

[A.J.Armitage]

I think it would be that we are all just puppets in God's little theater, with God up there pulling the strings and us having no say in the script.

Except that we do have a say in the "script" most of the time. It's only when we don't that things go right.

[rwfromkansas]

You take a weak dog begging like a puppy dog. I take a God that is sovereign and ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES HIS WILL.

And you are wrong about the necessary conclusion of Calvinism because while we are predestined, we ultimately still WANT to come to Christ regardless of what caused us to have that desire (the HS).

[Matchett-PI]

"I'll take the God who is a failure every time."

All Arminians have a god in their own image. This is nothing new. :D

[CCWoody]

... I'll take the God who is a failure every time.

My own father failed at a lot of things, but I always knew he loved me. And, because of that, I love him. I'll take that over anything, anyday.

You are welcome to your god who is a failure. Why boast about a god who is a failure?

Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Some say it is God's will and desire to save all men, yet His will is denied Him and He will be eternally frustrated. These men are wrong and worship at the throne of failure. This is a god who has the respect of no thoughtful man.

Some rightly say that it is God's will and desire to save a multitude and that His counsel and purpose shall stand forever; His thought to every generation. And no man may thwart His will or stay His purpose.