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it's tedious to debate catholics because they simply cite other catholics as proof

Its an authority/humility thing.

We believe Christ granted authority. We don't need to keep reinventing the wheel.

And we're not so prideful to think that every generations reinvented wheel is actually as round as that of the First Wheelmaker. He did it right and entrusted it to the care of the Church He built and to which He granted authority to teach in His name.

"He did it right and entrusted it to the care of the Church He built and to which He granted authority to teach in His name."

Well put. And that Church would not be an invisible body. It is visible and it proclaims that it has the fullness of truth. What else makes any sense at all?

And now for a little Belloc:

Now the Faith is old and the Devil is bold,
Exceedingly bold indeed;
And the masses of doubt that are floating about
Would smother a mortal creed.
But we that sit in a sturdy youth
And still can drink strong ale
Oh--let us put it away to infallible truth
That always shall prevail.

And yet a little more.

But Catholic men that live upon wine
Are deep in the water, and frank, and fine;
Wherever I travel I find it so,
Benedicamus Domino

For our NC friends a little interpretation, the wine is the Blood of Christ and the water is baptism.

Right on Polycarp!

Don't you find it hilarious that protestants claim the very infallibility that they deny to the Pope for each one of their own private insights and revelations. Its as if each one were his own pope - no wonder they don't want to give that false doctrine up!!

Funny also how they always shirk from debating the Word of God when it clearly teaches Catholic doctrine - not one of them has responded to your or Theresa's citations of John 6. Maybe they have walked away from him too because of this difficulty with the Real Presence - just like Judas!!

They moan when we cite the teaching of the Church, but then I suppose they don't believe 1 Tim 3:15 either:

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF THE TRUTH"

Do you think they believe that St. Paul wrote one of their epistles of straw as well??????

Still at least they appear to be a more civilised lot than some of those on the Catholic thread re the Pope's friends!