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To: Catholicguy
What did you perceive as in error in the following?

Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Church’s teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform.

Do you deny that enemies of the Church existed before, during and after V2? That they tried (and in some cases succeeded) in creating and using ambiguity to attack the True Church?

28 posted on 12/11/2002 9:55:39 AM PST by narses
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To: narses
<> All Ecumenical Councils are, similarly, from God. So are their decisions.

Call me a KJPL, but I value the thoughts and decisions of a Saintly Pope and the decisions of an Ecumenical Council over the personal opinions of lay intellectuals when it comes to this matter.

IMO, TLM used her as a hammer to beat upon the Divinely-Consituted authority and I think she, naively,allowed herself to be used (even while calling us Americans naive)

The error consists in thinking the Teaching of the Church is untouchable. Doctrine develops and the First Vatican Council finished with its work uncompleted.

The "not one iota is to be changed..." in relation to the Church's Teaching, sounds, to me at least, like the complaints of the Orthodox in re "changing" the Creed.

Doctrine develops and our ever-deeping understandimg of the Original Deposit of Faith is infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit and nobodyincluding intellectuals, can contend against an Ecumenical Council. Period.<>

29 posted on 12/11/2002 10:52:30 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: narses
<> All Ecumenical Councils are, similarly, from God. So are their decisions.

Call me a KJPL, but I value the thoughts and decisions of a Saintly Pope and the decisions of an Ecumenical Council over the personal opinions of lay intellectuals when it comes to this matter.

IMO, TLM used her as a hammer to beat upon the Divinely-Consituted authority and I think she, naively,allowed herself to be used (even while calling us Americans naive)

The error consists in thinking the Teaching of the Church is untouchable. Doctrine develops and the First Vatican Council finished with its work uncompleted.

The "not one iota is to be changed..." in relation to the Church's Teaching, sounds, to me at least, like the complaints of the Orthodox in re "changing" the Creed.

Doctrine develops and our ever-deeping understandimg of the Original Deposit of Faith is infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit and nobodyincluding intellectuals, can contend against an Ecumenical Council. Period.<>

30 posted on 12/11/2002 10:52:45 AM PST by Catholicguy
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