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To: narses
that there is reason to believe this allegation

Undoubtedly.

In fact, while I cannot bring myself to include the Holy Father, I wouldn't doubt that the election of a Polish Pope to coincide with Poland's "Solidarity" as foreshadowing of Perestroika is probably not out of the question. Then again, I've spent far more time analyzing communists than I have the Vatican so perhaps have a greater respect for their ability to accomplish long-range objectives than the Church's who -- in my lifetime, anyway -- has proven extraordinarily weak and subject to corruption, heresy and rebellion.

I don't think anyone here fools themselves into believing the smoke of Satan hasn't entered the sanctuary. We know for a fact the faithful at the Vatican are surrounded by piranhas. I see no reason a certain Use of the papacy (which perhaps backfired when the assassin failed to kill him) is out of the question.

I am a huge fan of John Paul II's writings and believe his travels have indeed borne much fruit. That said, I couldn't care less about his Popularity Index and find the idea of a cult of Personality about the Pope unsettling.

It's precisely that sort of emotion-based adulation which tees the ball for them to try and install their own Pope.

I see nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade where the Pope's words and actions -- outside of his ex cathedra or doctrinal teaching -- are concerned. He had no business kissing the Koran as if it were the Gospel. I find his wink-wink, nudge-nudge approach to Medjugorje likewise unsettling. That's a fraud that should have been shut down long ago. The Church has no business engaging in the same self-deluding Pragmatism which has been the ticket to the West's destruction from within.

146 posted on 07/28/2002 9:55:10 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
"The Church has no business engaging in the same self-deluding Pragmatism which has been the ticket to the West's destruction from within."

Pope Pius XII said some about the big troubles for the Church will really begin when the Vatican is yoked with the diplomat and the statesman and we have been yoked.
153 posted on 07/28/2002 11:24:10 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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