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To: Don'tMessWithTexas; fortheDeclaration; Revelation 911; P-Marlowe; Hank Kerchief; The Grammarian; ...
By so callously treating the atonement of Jesus, I must assume in this discussion that you are not a Christian.

In that case you should probably wish to vacate this thread that I posted. Wouldn't want to get you all dirtied up associating with a Christian such as me.

51 "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it."

Resistible grace.

73 posted on 07/27/2002 10:03:20 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
You always resist the Holy Spirit

Augustine said it was the unpardonable sin. I think that saying that Christ was of the devil is worse, but there it is. Unbelief is unforgivable. So they (sinners -- Hank is so tough)must be able to commit it.

74 posted on 07/27/2002 10:09:59 PM PDT by JesseShurun
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To: xzins
Since I believe in irresistible grace, I believe that the Spirit of God can change a hardened Arminian such as yourself. Againg you avoid the consequences of your theology. But since you continue to avoid, I will ask more questions. Is Jesus Christ human or divine? I can show you verses that reveal his humanity, does that disprove his divinity. Conversely I could show you verses that clearly reveal his divinity. Does that disprove his humanity? The verse that you provided only reveals one part of an entire fabric of truth.

By the way, since you have no desire to confront the questions I have raised, do you really feel comfortable with a system in which man's will can resist a sovereign God? Please answer that question. In addition, if you Arminians truly believe that Jesus died for all and desires that all be saved, why would he allow man to resist him and thereby thwart the application of redemption? Please answer that question. Do you truly believe that human will is the lynch pin of salvation? Please answer that question. If you believe that it is, how there is be any real assurance? A person who "decided" to follow Jesus on Sunday can "decide" to stop following Him on a Tuesday. In such a case, under your theology, I am saved only as long as I want to be saved? How can there be any assurance under your "gospel?" Please answer that question.

At this point, I no longer want to hear of verses that appear to support your position. Deal with the logical consequences of that position as presented in the questions I have raised. It appears to me that you do not have answers.

80 posted on 07/28/2002 5:06:16 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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