Does God force you to believe or can you resist? Irresistible Grace -- Not a Bible Teaching.

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[Revelation 911]

Cause they taste good and are fun to shoot.

LOL - tasting best when slow smoked - mmmmmmm bacon

[Revelation 911]

She told me to repent of something a few days ago. Talking to xzins without her permission I guess.

- oh good - YOURE the heretic (this week) - (sarcasm grin)-

[JesseShurun]

Oh good then. I thought it was permanently da jour

[JesseShurun]

Should be DUH!,/i> jour

[JesseShurun]

duh off wake up Shuron

[RnMomof7]

She told me to repent of something a few days ago. Talking to xzins without her permission I guess.

provide me with the post number Jesse ...

[rwfromkansas]

Did you get my prom picture?

[RnMomof7]

Jesse writes

She told me to repent of something a few days ago. Talking to xzins without her permission I guess. ____________________________________________________
Terry responds


Jesse do you think lying will make you one of the boys?

I have never told you to "Repent and Believe" I know there are others that say that with regularly but I do not. So I went and did a search..and what I discovered is you have imtentionally lied...

Here is that exchange and as you will see I was agreeing with you ..but why let a little thing like truth get in the way lying is much more fun
You have proved you can not be trusted

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1st your post to which I responded

#83: Why I am a Calvinist
To: Tantumergo

"A man cannot have salvation, except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church he can have everything except salvation.


And Illbay the Mormon says I can't have it unless I join his temple.

What is a church made up of? Is it Christ alone? Or is it a group of people? In your case and in Illbay's case it's that and a bunch of opinions of men that you want me to believe over the revealed word of God who teaches me Himself. You both want me to embrace the traditions of men and leave the traditions of God. You both would have me throw out the revealed and holy Word for the writings of theologians and prophets who do not fit the strict guidelines for prophets revealed to me by God. You both want me to be in awe of your big edifaces and your wealth. You want to bring a pantheon of semi-deities of gods and goddesses before me and have me bow down to them, kiss their rings in some instances. God has told me what He'll do to me the day that I do, and it's not pretty. Illbay wants me to learn the rules of tithing before he will agree to baptize me. And on and on. All this idea of religion is manmade. You hold it up and it makes you proud as a papa, like you have done it all yourselves, which you have. You thus worship yourselves, not God. He said all he wanted was the tabernacle not made with human hands for His abode. Hint: You will find it in the desert eating bread and Tishbite stew. Shalom my friend.

83 posted on 7/28/02 8:26 PM Eastern by JesseShurun
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Now my post to you . As you see it was a positive post..hey but why bother with truth ?
To: JesseShurun

You are correct !Salvation IS Christ alone..

There are going to be alot of people crying "Lord, Lord ..didn't we do this and that? You know us..

And Jesus will say I NEVER knew you
***She told me to repent of something a few days ago. Talking to xzins without her permission I guess. ***



Salvation by works is not the plan that God laid before the foundation of the earth..His plan was Christ and the cross.....

The gospel went forth

Repent and believe

92 posted on 7/28/02 8:48 PM Eastern by RnMomof7
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[RnMomof7]

Deception..and lies ..not a good foundation
Good advice Mom. Why don't you take it?

Point me to a lie Marlow...where have I lied ? Now you had better come up with something or I will report abuse ..that is slander

[RnMomof7]

,oh good - YOURE the heretic (this week) - (sarcasm grin)-

See my response to him below

You took your cheap shot. Did it make you feel like a man?

I have always been fair with you. I apologized publically if I was wrong or hurtful and this is your response.

I have told you privately that I try to put those things that are intentionally hurtful from my mind when they are forgiven

May I suggest to you that you have alot of spiritual growth to do rev you are a moral midget..and no I will not apologize for that truth

You offer nothing of substance on any threads all you do is come in and throw mud in hopes of shutting down threads..

I feel sorry for you..

[P-Marlowe]

Point me to a lie Marlow...where have I lied ? Now you had better come up with something or I will report abuse ..that is slander

How about this:

You are more comforted by the thought that God did not care enough to protect your child than to believe He has a divine plan that includes every single one of us?

The problem Marlowe is you would rather believe what you want to believe. You want to fashion a god for your own liking. You do not like the God of the bible

These are libelous accusations mom. These are deliberate misrepresentations of my own thoughts and postitions AND YOU KNOW IT! So go ahead and ping the Admin Moderator. Have him read all the posts and then let him decide who to ban.

BTW I thought you Calvinists NEVER pushed the abuse button.

You libel me and then when I call you on it you accuse me of Slander. That's rich. Well, its libel Mom. And Truth is an Absolute Defense to it.

[RnMomof7]

The problem Marlowe is you would rather believe what you want to believe. You want to fashion a god for your own liking. You do not like the God of the bible
These are libelous accusations mom. These are deliberate misrepresentations of my own thoughts and postitions AND YOU KNOW IT! So go ahead and ping the Admin Moderator. Have him read all the posts and then let him decide who to ban.

That is a rhetorical comment , an opinion not a lie Marlow and you should know the difference ...if not I will have to take my legal business elsewhere. Show me my lies..

And there are now two Calvinists that push abuse and I am one..xzins convienced me that it is the christian thing to do

I will hit abuse .......so there is no more safety in the trenches here.

You came here looking for a fight ..and when you get one you whine

[RnMomof7]

No did you send it?

[P-Marlowe]

You do not like the God of the bible

That is a rhetorical comment? No Mom. That is a LIE! And you know it! Don't hide behind the statement that you think it is an opinion. It isn't. If it were an opinion it would have been preceeded with something like, "In my opinion I do not believe that you like the God of the Bible because.....

No, you didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a FACT. Now you are playing Clinton in trying to pretend that what you said wasn't what you said. "It all depends on the what the meaning of "Lie" is. Well it was a lie. It was a distortion of my position. It was an accusation and an insult to my faith.

Yes I do know the difference between a rhetorical comment and a lie. I know the difference between an accusation and an opinion. Obviously you don't.

So go ahead and hit the abuse button. Its time this thread disappeared anyway.

[RnMomof7]

Its time this thread disappeared anyway.

I am sure that has been the little group goal for awhile.....Jesse and rev and you . No respose shut it down.....

But I had already figured that out

[rwfromkansas]

yes......

[rwfromkansas]

let me try again and I will let you know after I do......

[rwfromkansas]

What is your e-mail address again?

[xzins]

You do not use the word trinity do you believe that God the Father was Jesus in the flesh?

This is the part where explaining divine personality gets sticky. Father, Son, Holy Spirit = God. 3 in 1. Holy Spirit is distinct from the Son is distinct from the Father. Their unity makes them one. It is generally considered improper not to uphold the distinction between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

In that regard, your question about "God the Father being Jesus" becomes sticky in maintaining the distinctiveness of the 3 persons of the Godhead. Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." He affirms at the same time both the distinctiveness and the unity.

Separate but equal; 3 in 1; trinity.

[P-Marlowe]

Why didn't you ping Jesse and Rev with your conspiracy theory? Isn't that the kosher thing to do here when you make an accusation? Shouldn't you let them in on it?