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To: sola gracia
Oh brother, you are so right on. I have seen many professing "reformed" brothers and sisters give up the fight when their "understanding" of theology doesn't get them over the hump. One of my favorite verses is in Phillipians 3:10 "I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and share in the fellowship of his sufferings...."

Bless you, sg, this is exactly what I'm talking about! It grieves me that the perspective you've articulated is often lacking in many of the discussion threads I read here. I'm not saying "pitch doctrine over the edge," but let's incorporate the practical aspects of Christianity (our relationship with Christ) into the discussion. Spurgeon did so, and that's one of the main reasons he was such a powerful preacher, whose ministry continues to this very day (he combined Reformed doctrine with a practical dependence on the Spirit of Christ -- see what power that represents!).

I know what you mean about adherents of Reformed theology who seem to give up when they hit the wall. That is precisely where I was about 17 years ago. My intellectual knowledge didn't get me past a major crisis. It was when I realized that Christ intended us to actually know, in our experience, His grace and His adequacy to do for us what we cannot do for ourselves in times of real crisis, that my faith came alive again. It didn't change what I had come to understand, and what is usually characterized as "Reformed doctrine." In fact, the practical application of living by grace through faith was entirely consistent with my Reformed understanding (not to mention it was also BIBLICAL!)

44 posted on 07/24/2002 11:21:44 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents; RnMomof7
Speaking of suffering, you just have to get John Piper's newest book, The Misery of Job and the Mercy of God. It is done in poetry style and it comes with a CD of Piper himself reading the book. Wow! It is truly a soul-stirring experience. What truth and heart-felt pathos. It just came out by Crossway Books or you can get in at a lesser price from Desiring God Online Store. Mark my words, this will be a classic!!
46 posted on 07/24/2002 11:32:45 AM PDT by sola gracia
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To: My2Cents
I think that you make some valid points here.

If someone was to judge my walk with Christ solely on the basis of my contributions on FR, I am afraid that I would not look so good. Yet, what I do here is but a small (and often insignificant) part of me as a whole. My walk with Christ, my ministry, my study, etc. are the sum of all the parts. of which FR is but a tiny bit.

Yet, I need to remind myself that there are some who will only know me, and what I live and believe, through FR, and to them it is important that I be charitable and consistent.

On the other hand, when you are battling some of the aggregious heresy that turns up on this forum, it is easy to slip into "prophet" mode without the opportunity to revert to "pastor" mode as required.

Thansk for the reminders, especially the reminder to be balanced.

57 posted on 07/24/2002 12:34:15 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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