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Do Wesley and Moody not love the Lord??? Are those who hold to the tenants of Arminianism going to burn in Hell??? I find the vitriol in these discussions truly saddening. The Church should be united even if it has differences of opinion/interpretation in its members. This talk of Calvinism and Arminianism divides the Church and creates schisms over foolishness. I would dare say Wesley loved the Lord as much as Calvin did, who loved the Lord as much as Arminias, who loved the Lord as much as Spurgeon. If Calvin is right, that does not give one a license to split or cause division in the Church, and the same applies for Arminias. We are called as members of the Church to function together and fellowship as ONE Body, not bodies separated by every wind of doctrine. So what if I believe that you cant lose your salvation (Calvinism) and that God will never impose on my free will (Arminianism). If I am wrong, than I pray that the Holy Spirit will open my eyes, and that I won't fall into the trap of spiritual pride and legalistic demagoguery (sp?) that has polluted this debate. I think it is healthy to have debate, but it is unhealthy when it causes division. Nothing you or I will ever say will change anyones point of view, without the working of the Holy Spirit. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies. We should all be seeking to know Christ and Him crucified, everything else is foolishness. What good is knowing doctrine, if we don't know the Lord. I would much rather be foolish in doctrine, but in love with the Lord, than wise in doctrine and have disdain for my brother.

JM

If Calvin is right, that does not give one a license to split or cause division in the Church, and the same applies for Arminias.

And yet, Wesley, caused a division in the church in the middle of a revival because of his hatred for the truth. Off hand, I'm really trying to remember if any Calvinist caused divisions in the Church in the middle of revivals. Perhaps you should preach those words to those who actively seek division.

Looks like he spoke unrepentant lies about a true defender of the faith as well, but we will not go there....