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To: FastCoyote
"Why couldn't God create a world WITH evolutionary processes if he pleased? I think these debates are sooo off the mark."

Because He created us in His image for His pleasure .. not a toy/plaything pleasure, but the pleasure of fellowship.

God is unchanging and eternal. It would be inconsistent with His nature to create something that changed.

The changes evolutionists claim require the loss of internal information by mutation, which logically, eliminates an 'upward' evolution.

Changes may occur within kind, but the fish to college professor transition just never occured.

To claim intelligence and morality came from an accident, is to allow us to deny any validity to the claims of evolutionists. The minds they use to deduce their claims are ... an accident ... a mutation ... a mistake.

34 posted on 07/20/2002 4:23:52 PM PDT by knarf
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To: knarf
Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative and calling/CHANGING all the... residuals---technology/science === TO evolution via sclock science...to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...anti-God/Truth RELIGION--and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY...against God--man--society/SCIENCE!!

37 posted on 07/20/2002 4:30:26 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: knarf
HE COULD CREATE WITH EVOLUTION IF HE WANTED TO. He didn't though read the book.
55 posted on 07/20/2002 5:44:41 PM PDT by IamZman
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To: knarf

Because He created us in His image for His pleasure .. not a toy/plaything pleasure, but the pleasure of fellowship.

I don’t see your point. Why couldn’t He create us using evolution, in his image and for the pleasure of fellowship?

God is unchanging and eternal. It would be inconsistent with His nature to create something that changed.

Were it valid, that line of reasoning would tend to prove that God created nearly nothing. Everything in the world is in flux - people are born small, they get big, then old, then they die. The sun rises and sets. Sometimes it rains, sometimes it’s dry... hence the old chestnut: “‘change’ is the only constant in the universe.” In fact – human beings, made in the image of an unchanging God, change physically, mentally, and spiritually as they go through life. It seems to me that “unchanging and eternal” is one attribute of God most definitely not reflected in his creation, nor in his creatures.

The changes evolutionists claim require the loss of internal information by mutation, which logically, eliminates an ‘upward’ evolution.

It appears that you’re no longer arguing against the proposition that God used evolution to create man, and have gone straight for the jugular of evolution itself. One problem is, you haven’t made any convincing argument against the proposition that God used evolution to create man, and hence, any objection you make to evolution can be answered by saying “God can induce any changes he wishes to by evolving his creatures.” Another problem is that mutation does not always mean the loss of information, so your premise here is false and your conclusion, while following logically from a false premise, is also false.

Changes may occur within kind, but the fish to college professor transition just never occured.

So say you, but if you could see one or two of my old professors, you’d have second thoughts.

To claim intelligence and morality came from an accident, is to allow us to deny any validity to the claims of evolutionists. The minds they use to deduce their claims are ... an accident ... a mutation ... a mistake.

This statement reflects a typical creationist misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. Although individual mutations are ‘accidents’, natural selection winnows out maladaptive changes in a very efficient and non-random way. That is, mutations which tend to reduce the survivability or fecundity of an organism will tend to reduce the number of descendants to whom the mutation is passed, while mutations which tend to enhance survivability or fecundity will tend to increase the number of descendants to whom the mutation is passed, who will in turn have an advantage reproducing… Bigger brains helped our ancestors survive and reproduce, and hence were passed on.

112 posted on 07/20/2002 9:00:40 PM PDT by ChuxsterS
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