Celibacy

CatholicEducation.org ^ | 7-15-02 | Raymond Arroyo

[Salvation]

Should offer a good discussion.

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Celibacy discussion Ping!

So statistically, children are far safer with the celibates. As the U.S. cardinals said in their report of April 24: "a link between celibacy and pedophilia cannot be scientifically maintained."

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John Paul II bump

His Holiness suggested that celibacy was part of the solution, not the problem. And the facts seem to bear him out.

[Salvation]

I could not resist giving this article its own thread!

[ventana]

I agree with you, that number is totally phony. Additionally, Arroyo has a good show, but he seems incredibly arch...did I say effete? well, that too.

All that aside, the issue here, oph, is chastity. Chastity is achievable, and, in imitation of our Lord and His Mother, desirable.

Nor should we turn away from a discussion of a married priesthood. But, first we have to discuss the plethora of homosexual predators in the priesthood, a lack of heterosexuals observing chastity, and, then, a married priesthood. Logically, in that order. But first, we cure the priesthood of its homosexuals. V's wife.

[sitetest]

Dear one_particular_harbour,

"I will add that it means that in your average 400 student elementary school - all religions - there will be 32 children being diddled by their fathers."

No, what it actually means is that in a 400-child elementary school, which may represent perhaps 250 - 300 families (many families will have two children, or even more, in the same school at once), which may represent 200 or so families where there is a dad, or once was a dad, about 16 or so of these fathers will have diddled, or will diddle sometime in the future, someone under age at some time or another in these men's adult lives. A few of these men may actually abuse their own children.

And maybe even not that many, since the most likely child sex abuser is an unrelated adult male love interest in the household with underage daughters.

The largest portion of child sex abuse occurs in households where the biological father is absent, and the mother has taken up with another man.

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[american colleen]

agree with you, that number is totally phony. Additionally, Arroyo has a good show, but he seems incredibly arch...did I say effete? well, that too.

LOL! I thought the same thing when I first started to catch "World Over" - but I've since noticed he wears a wedding ring - for whatever that's worth.

[WriteOn]

Makes sense. Seems the kids are only unsafe with those not following the Holy Spirit... duh!

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

And you are so eager to maintain the doctrine of celibacy, that you are grabbing junk statistics.

It's a discipline not a doctrine. You should know that. Do you have verifiable numbers/studies to refute what Arroyo wrote?

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Additional discussion in News/Activism.

[ventana]

Yah! For whatever that is worth. His nails are manicured! Don't get me started on Bishop Sheen, notoriously rumored to visit the gay bathouses on NY's lower east side. V's wife.

[american colleen]

Sheen!?!? NOT Sheen!!!!!

[ventana]

Well, doesn't he flourish that cape an awful lot??? Colleen, I AM SORRY!!! But, honest, I had heard it rumored, then saw him on EWTN sort of preening about, and then did a search and, well, the rumors were rife on the internet, too. So, I can't say for sure, but rumors abound. He certainly had good things to say!!! Oh, good grief! V's wife.

[sinkspur]

Don't get me started on Bishop Sheen, notoriously rumored to visit the gay bathouses on NY's lower east side.

Well, that's a surprise!

One of Sheen's closest friends, when alive, was Dag Hammorskjold, former head of the UN, who was openly gay.

[Sock]

Don't get me started on Bishop Sheen, notoriously rumored to visit the gay bathouses on NY's lower east side.

If you've got hard evidence indicating that Bishop Sheen [R.I.P] was homosexual, then post it. Otherwise, you ought to shut the hell up and let the bigots at FR make those kinds of statements.

[american colleen]

To tell you the truth, I like Sheen's program - the few times I've HEARD it since I can't WATCH it because of the swishing and flourishing and flicking of his cape. OK. I got it off of my chest. It's been bugging me since the first time I saw his show.

I'm OK with Cardinal Spellman. I went to a HS bearing his name and there were "pastoral" scenes painted on the auditorium walls and I just knew something wasn't kosher with him. Turns out he was best friends with Truman Capote.

If you know anything about Cardinal Cushing, don't tell me.

[ventana]

Well now I am searching this, again, and finding nothing. Maybe I am mistaken in thinking I had seen something. If I am, God, please forgive more for slandering a good man. If enough rumor is out there, however, we have cause to be susipicious, in this time. V's wife.

[Sock]

Well, that's a surprise!

You are quick to accuse others of slander but you do the same thing yourself.

If you have any "facts" post them, otherwise, you can shove it.