narses: This was just a few years ago, does that age make it less worth discussion?
patent: It makes it highly likely that, on a news forum, it was discussed within the period of the last several years. This is not news, it is another in a line of your postings of articles encouraging schismatic sensibilities.
You appear to be making the point that since the article was not published recently, that it should not be posted "on a news forum." You then go on to say that the article is not newsworthy. The point I was making was that many articles from the recent past and the distant past have been posted on FR as well as articles that do not fit the primary mission of FR, so trying to beat up narses with this reasoning IMHO was unfair. I also pointed out that narses posted this article in the Religion forum which lessens the effectiveness of your non-news argument as well.
You claimed that narses has been posting articles "encouraging schismatic sensibilities" and then include reference to an article complaining about Communion in the hand. If one is not supposed to conclude that you think those who are critical of Communion in the hand are schismatic or have schismatic sensibilities, then I suggest you clarify what you meant.
When given the choice between the Council of Trent or St. Thomas Aquinas versus some idea hatched during a tidal wave of Modernism, I'll follow the Council of Trent and St. Thomas Aquinas.
If one is not supposed to conclude that you think those who are critical of Communion in the hand are schismatic or have schismatic sensibilities, then I suggest you clarify what you meant.I did so in my post to you, #31. “I think you have entirely missed my point, which is that Narses had appeared to me to be engaged in a pattern, not that he was schismatic for posting any one article or for saying we should receive on the tongue.”
When given the choice between the Council of Trent or St. Thomas Aquinas versus some idea hatched during a tidal wave of Modernism, I'll follow the Council of Trent and St. Thomas Aquinas.If given the choice between St. Augustine’s ideas of predestination, and some tidal wave of modernism in the 1400s, would you also stick with Augustine? I can also provide you with quotes from Councils forbidding you from dancing at weddings, etc., etc. Would you like to stick with them? What would seperate you from the Orthodox Churches?
The Church has a living Magisterium, ELS. It has both a living teaching authority, and a living jurisidictional authority. The reception of Communion in the hand v. tongue is not infallible doctrine, of course, it is a matter of discipline. But that matter of discipline properly falls within the competent scope of the current Church hierarchy. To try to set statements from Trent or Aquinas against that is to misunderstand and misapply theology. Aquinas does not determine what the current Rite of the Mass – and consequently how we receive communion – should be. Nor does even an Ecumenical Council like Trent, as praiseworthy as it may be.
This is discipline, and is within the Pope’s proper jurisdiction. Vatican I made it clear it is his right and duty.
patent +AMDG