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I Confess...........[The Complete Biblical Basis for Confession]
Envoy Magazine via CatholicExchange.com ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 07/05/2002 10:14:23 AM PDT by Polycarp

The scenario:

You've decided to help out on a confirmation retreat at your parish.You're a small group leader with five candidates in your group. The youth are responding well until the time comes to go to confession. One of the girls in your group, Michelle, has an objection to going to confession.

Her Evangelical boyfriend has apparently convinced her she has no need of a priest to confess her sins. "Why can't I confess my sins directly to God?" Michelle protests.

Evidently, Michelle was waiting for this opportunity to make her stand, because she immediately reels off five Scripture passages that she had no doubt memorized for the occasion.

"Isaiah 43:25 says, 'I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.' It's God who forgives sins," she confidently proclaims. You notice she is quoting from the King James Bible.

"Further, Hebrews 3:1 and 7:22-27 tell us Jesus is our one and only true High Priest and that there are not many priests, but one in the New Testament. The Bible makes it clear in 1 John 2:2 that Jesus 'is the propitiation for our sins,' and not some priest, 'and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world'. And how can we Catholics claim priests act in the role of mediator in confession when 1 Timothy 2:5 tells us, 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus'?"

Your response:

You begin by complimenting Michelle on her knowledge of Scripture, and encourage the rest of your group to imitate her in the practice of memorizing Sacred Scripture. You thank her for both her honesty and for bringing up these objections to confession. In answering them, these objections can serve to deepen our understanding of the One, True Faith established by Jesus Christ.

Step One: After thanking Michelle once again for bringing up Isaiah 43:25, which teaches us that it is, in fact, God Who forgives our sins, you ask another member of the group, Mark, to read Leviticus 19:20-22:"If a man lies carnally with a woman . . . they shall not be put to death . . . but he shall bring a guilt offering for himself to the Lord, to the door of the tent of meeting, a ram for a guilt offering. And the priest shall make atonement for him . . . before the Lord for his sin which he has committed, and the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven him."

Remember, Isaiah 43:25 is an Old Testament passage. It declares that God forgives our sins. On that point all Christians agree. However, here in Leviticus, also in the Old Testament, the priest has been given the ministry of reconciliation. He mediates God's forgiveness to the sinner. Obviously, this does not take away from the fact that it is God Who does the forgiving. God is the efficient, or ultimate, cause of forgiveness. The priest is the instrumental cause

Michelle immediately objects. "But Jesus is our priest and mediator in the New Testament."

You respond, "We'll get to that in a minute, Michelle, but first I want to make sure everyone understands what we're saying." Now, in order to keep this from becoming a confrontation between yourself and Michelle, you turn to the rest of the group and say, "God indeed forgives us our sins, as Isaiah 43:25 teaches. However, that doesn't eliminate the possibility of using priests to mediate that forgiveness to the world as Leviticus 19:20-22 teaches. Right?"

You notice Michelle responds affirmatively with the others, so you quickly move ahead.

Step Two:

"Michelle brought up another excellent point we need to address. How can we Catholics have priests to forgive our sins, when Hebrews 3:1 says Jesus is the apostle and High Priest of our confession? And what about Hebrews 7:22-27?" At this point, you ask another member of your small group, Kendra, to read the text.

"This makes Jesus the surety of a better covenant. The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office; but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever . . . For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, blameless, unstained, separated from sinners, exalted above the heavens. He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did this once for all when he offered up himself."

At this point, you see all five of your group members absorbed in thought. Jennifer suddenly pipes up and says, "How do we answer that one? It seems that Jesus is our only priest."

To answer, you call on Andrea to read 1 Peter 2:5, 9.

"And like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ . . . But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people . . ."

If Jesus is the one and only priest in the New Testament in the strict sense that Protestants believe, then we have a contradiction in Sacred Scripture, because 1 Peter teaches that all believers are members of a holy priesthood. The key to clearing up this difficulty is in understanding the nature of the Body of Christ. Believers do not take away from Christ's unique Priesthood, rather, as members of His Body, we establish His Priesthood on earth. We are His hands and feet.Michelle jumps in, "That doesn't say there's any special priesthood we have to go to in order to have our mortal sins forgiven. That text says we're all priests.

"We'll get to that," you assure her, "but we are making progress. A moment ago we couldn't see how anyone could be a priest in the New Testament other than Christ, and now we see how all believers are priests.

"Before we move on to demonstrate a special priesthood, can we all see how Christ being the true High Priest does not eliminate the possibility of there being many priests? We are priests as believers inasmuch as we participate in the one priesthood of Christ, as members of His Body."At this point you clear up the difficulty of 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Yes, Jesus is the one mediator between God and men. However, Christians are also called to be mediators in Him. When we intercede for one another or share the gospel with someone, we act as mediators of God's love and grace in the one true Mediator, Christ Jesus (cf. 1 Tim. 2:1-7, 4:16, Rom. 10:9-14).

Now what about 1 John 2:2? "He is the expiation [propitiation] for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." How can we demonstrate from Scripture the existence of a priesthood with the power to forgive sins, within the universal priesthood of all believers?

Step Three:

Now show the context of 1 Peter 2:5, 9. When St. Peter teaches us about the universal priesthood of all believers, he refers to Exodus 19:6 where God speaks of ancient Israel as "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation," a reference to the universal priesthood in the Old Testament "church." But this did not preclude the existence of the Aaronic and Levitical priesthoods within that universal priesthood (cf. Ex. 28 and Num. 3:1-12).

In an analogous way, we have a universal "royal priesthood" in the New Testament, but we also have an ordained clergy who have priestly authority given to them by Christ to carry out His ministry of reconciliation (cf. 2 Cor. 5:17-21, John 20:21-23, James 5:16). Michelle once again protests. "But you still haven't answered the Scripture I quoted earlier. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, not a priest. And in Mark 2:5-10, Jesus forgives the sins of a paralytic. When the scribes object to that and call it blasphemy, Jesus says: ' "But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority to forgive sins on earth," he said to the paralytic, "I say to you, rise, pick up your mat, and go home."' Scripture is clear. Jesus is the One we go to for forgiveness. Where does the Bible say there's a priesthood with the authority to forgive sins

Step Four:

Now ask Mark to read John 20:21-23 to the group: "Jesus said to them again, 'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.' And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.' "

"What does this text say to you?" you ask. Andrea speaks up: "I think it says Jesus gave His authority to forgive sins to His disciples, which we read about in Mark 2." The rest of the group agrees, except for Michelle, who had been listening attentively, but is now studying the text intensely.

You point out the setting: Jesus has risen from the dead and is about to ascend to the Father. In verse 21, Jesus says, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." What did the Father send Jesus to do? He came to be the one true mediator between God and men: proclaiming the gospel (cf. Luke 4:16-21), reigning supreme as King of kings and Lord of lords (cf. Rev. 19:16), and especially, redeeming the world through the forgiveness of sins (cf. 1 Peter 2:21-25, Mark 2:5-10). So this is what Christ is sending the apostles to do in His name: To proclaim the gospel with His authority (cf. Matt. 18:15-17), to govern the Church in His stead (cf. Luke 22:29-30), and to sanctify the Church through the sacraments, especially the Eucharist (cf. John 6:54, 1 Cor. 11:24-29) and confession.

Christ, the High Priest of the New Covenant, ordained the apostles to continue His priestly mission. In John 20:22-23, Jesus then emphasizes this essential part of the priestly ministry of the apostles: forgiving men's sins in the name of Christ. "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." This is confession. The only way the apostles can either forgive or retain sins is by first hearing those sins confessed, and then making a judgement as to whether or not the penitent should be absolved.

"You mean it's up to the priest to decide whether or not I'm going to be forgiven?" Michelle queries indignantly.

"Yes, Michelle. That's what the Bible teaches here in John 20.

"Let's say a woman confesses adultery," you continue. "When the priest asks her if she's sorry for her sin and resolved to turn away from it, she says she's not. The priest would then be bound to 'retain' her sins. One has to be truly sorry for his or her sins in order to be forgiven." "What if she lies to the priest and says she's sorry when she's not, and then the priest absolves her?" Jennifer asks. "Will she be forgiven?" "No," you respond. "The sacrament does not take effect unless the penitent is truly sorry for his or her sins. In fact, lying in confession is another serious sin, called the sin of sacrilege.

Step Five:

You notice Michelle is much less defensive when she asks her next question. "Do we see any examples of the apostles or church elders actually forgiving sins?"

You have Andrea read 2 Corinthians 2:10: "Any one whom you forgive, I also forgive. What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ."

Actually, a better translation of the phrase "in the presence of Christ" is "in the person of Christ." The Greek word in the passage is prosopon. The Latin word persona comes from this word. The Greek prefix pro translates to Latin as per. The Greek sopon becomes sona in Latin. Interestingly, the King James Bible renders the better translation of "person."

You read James 5:14-16 aloud: "Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects."

You point out Scripture teaches us we must go to the "elders," not just anyone, to receive this "anointing" and the forgiveness of our sins.Michelle objects. "In verse 16 it says to confess our sins to one another and pray for one another. James is just encouraging us to confess our sins to a close friend so we can help one another to overcome our faults."

You respond, "We have to examine the context of Scripture in order to understand it properly. There are two reasons we know St. James is not saying we should confess our sins to just anyone. First, he's just told us to go to the elder, or priest, in verse 14. Then, verse 16 begins with the word "therefore." That word is a conjunction that connects verse 16 back to verses 14 and 15. It's the elder to whom St. James is telling us to confess our sins.

Step Six:

At this point, there's a break and you decide to take Michelle outside for a little one on one. You ask her, "Well, what do you think?"She replies thoughtfully, "I have to admit, John 20:21-23 and all the rest of the verses you pointed out make it awfully clear. But it's so hard to confess your sins to a man."

"Yep, I agree," you say. "But I guarantee you, you will walk out of that confessional feeling like you're walking on air. And remember, when the priest says, 'I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,' there are two people speaking at the same time: the priest, and Jesus Himself, Who loves you more than words could ever say."

After the break, it's time for confession. You're watching for Michelle. As soon as she comes out of the confessional, she looks right at you with a bright, beaming smile. As she approaches, you tease, "Was I right?"

The smile never leaves her face as she slaps you a high five and walks toward the chapel to pray.

Reprinted with permission from Envoy Magazine, www.envoymagazine.com


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To: allend
Show me where they held confession in any form...show me where they gave absolution to any mans sin..show me where they taught that principle allend..you keep repeating the quote..but that does not prove that their understanding of what Jesus said was the same as yours..
62 posted on 07/08/2002 12:18:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; allend
but that does not prove that their understanding of what Jesus said was the same as yours..

And just hod do you, who claims to follow the plain sense of scripture interpret this passge, whose sense is clear to us Catholics but apparently not you?

64 posted on 07/08/2002 12:50:02 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: allend; Polycarp
John 20:23

After Jesus said this to the apostles, what they did with it was to go tell people that the way to have sins forgiven was by trusting that forgiveness was recieved when they:

Rom.10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Please, I am asking a sincere question. If a priest was required to mediate for us, don't you think that this would have been included in this passage from 1 John? He was speaking of being clceansed from all unrighteousness, if the priest was needed, that would be a very important fact. Also remember the verse in the article (see I did read it:) that says we are all part of a priesthood. Our acknowledgeing our sins TO GOD, seems to be all that is necessary to be forgiven. No mediator other then Jesus.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the utter most that come unto God by him seeing he ever liveth to make interession for them

Becky

65 posted on 07/08/2002 12:52:15 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: allend
I believe what John says. But John never says you have to go to a priest to have your sins forgiven.

Becky

68 posted on 07/08/2002 1:10:51 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
If a priest was required to mediate for us, don't you think that this would have been included in this passage from 1 John?

Only if you misunderstand the role of the Bible, and believe that, contrary to scripture, it is the sole rule of faith, to be used not only in the manner of a comprehensive catechism, but also as an encyclopedic compendium of all Christian practices, dogmas, and doctrines.

Of course, the Bible was never intended to be such.

Yet when the "reformers" violently ripped the heart, scripture, from the chest of its mother, the Church, it left both the protestant churches disconnected from its lifeblood as well as the scriptures unable to function properly, as they were intended to be neither a comprehensive catechism, nor an encyclopedic compendium of all Christian practices, dogmas, and doctrines.

Based on your criteria, we would not believe in the Trinity either, for "Trinity" as a word never occurs in scripture either.

In fact, I recently saw a "Christian" on another thread make just such an argument, which is one of the (un)natural yet obviously foreseen conclusions of Sola Scriptura.


To: RnMomof7; CCWoody

I might ask you where you might find the phrase "Trinity" in the Bible, but if memory serves me, you don't believe in the Trinity!

The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, of course, so I do not use it as a description of God, because it is an invention of men. But, when you say, "you don't believe in the Trinity," that would depend entirely on what you mean by that word, which must have a human definition, since there is no Biblical one.

I believe God the Father is the creator of all things, that God the Son is fully God, that He has always been from eternity God the Son, that He was born of the Virigin Mary, was crucified, buried, resurrected, and ascended into heaven where He sitteth on the right hand of the Father. I believe the Holy Spirit is God, and convicts sinners of their sin, indwells believers, and is our comforter and internal witness of Salvation.

I refuse to use the word "Trinity," because it is not a Scriptural term. I also refuse to us The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, of course, so I do not use it as a description of God, because it is an invention of men. But, when you say, "you don't believe in the Trinity," that would depend entirely on what you mean by that word, which must have a human definition, since there is no Biblical one.

I believe God the Father is the creator of all things, that God the Son is fully God, that He has always been from eternity God the Son, that He was born of the Virigin Mary, was crucified, buried, resurrected, and ascended into heaven where He sitteth on the right hand of the Father. I believe the Holy Spirit is God, and convicts sinners of their sin, indwells believers, and is our comforter and internal witness of Salvation.

I refuse to use the word "Trinity," because it is not a Scriptural term. I also refuse to use the word person, when describing God, because a person is an individual human being, and to ascribe that to the God head is blasphemy. Only God the Son, Jesus Christ, may rightly be called an individual human being (i.e.person). "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth," not according to some human formula invented by a bunch of Catholics in some council.

Show my anything taught about God in the Bible, and use only Bible terms, and you will be showing me what I already believe. When men attempt to make God "easier to understand" than God has already made it in His Word, they always make God something less than He is. Have your inferior "trinitarian Catholic God," if you like, I accept only the God of the Bible.

Hank

31 posted on 7/7/02 10:16 PM Eastern by Hank Kerchief
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Of course, while such discourse, silly as it seems, is common among non-Catholic Christians, such will not be the case within the official teachings of the RCC. We have that authority to lose and bind that is not only missing but rejected among the heirs of the protestant revolt, where no one can know for sure whether Hank above or his Calvinist detractors are correct in the end.

70 posted on 07/08/2002 1:28:42 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Salvation
I cannot remember the exact words, but maybe someone could post them.

‘Our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him, of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences, and by his authority committed unto me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.’

71 posted on 07/08/2002 1:33:36 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: allend
ended with the death of the Apostles, do you?

Intersting to note that the LDS believes that "True Christianity" ended with the death of the Apostles. Of course, this would make a liar of Christ, who promised to be with His Church always, thus disproving His Divinity, and Christianity in general.

I hope that's not what Becky is saying too.

Yet the question must be asked: If Catholicism, the only Church which can draw its origen to Christ, and not reformers 500 years ago, truly fell into error, then again, Christ must have lied when He promised His Church the Holy Spirit to guide it to all truth.

72 posted on 07/08/2002 1:34:03 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
No the burden is on the Catholic church to prove that Jesus was forfeiting His job as Judge and Saviour to them..

The burden is on the chruch to show that was the intent of Gods words seeing there is NO indication in the twords or teaching of the apostles to back that up

Show me the confessionals poly:>)

73 posted on 07/08/2002 1:40:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
John 20:21-23. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Please tell us exactly how the successors of the Apostles, as clearly instructed here by Christ, can forgive sins if the sinner does not confess those sins.

It is quite obvious Christ granted the authority to forgive sins in His Name.

Yet reason will tell you that if the sinner does not relate the sins to the Apostle, the Apostle cannot lose those sins.

To say its not written on the face of scripture and therefore untrue is no more to disprove the reasonable conclusion that the Apostles heard and forgave sins, than it is for Hank above to claim that since the word "Trinity" is not written on the face of scripture, the concept of "Triinity" that develops through reason from reading scripture is not true.

In other words, you have set up a straw man, or else you must not believe in the Trinity based on your own logic.

74 posted on 07/08/2002 1:42:17 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: RnMomof7
seeing there is NO indication in the twords or teaching of the apostles

See my replies # 70 & 74.

75 posted on 07/08/2002 1:47:08 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
It is quite obvious Christ granted the authority to forgive sins in His Name.

Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained [John 20:23].

This is an important verse which is greatly misunderstood. When Christ enjoins the apostles to forgive sins, He does not convey to them what is peculiar to Himself. It belongs to Him to forgive sins. He only enjoins them in His name to proclaim the forgiveness of sins.

Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance of an apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere, proclaiming the forgiveness of sins. Let me ask the question: What is it that forgives sins? Even God cannot just arbitrarily forgive sins. Forgiveness of sins is only and alone through the blood of Jesus Christ. Back in the Old Testament, the forgiveness of sins was based on the fact that Christ would come and die. God saved “on credit” in the Old Testament until Christ would come and pay the penalty. Today God forgives our sins when we believe that Christ died for them.

How can you and I remit sins? By telling the gospel! This is the greater work which we shall do. When somebody turned and believed on Jesus while He was here on earth, that was wonderful. But what is staggering is when you or I simply give out the Word of God, and someone is born again and becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus. “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them” happens when you and I proclaim the gospel of the grace of God. That is the most glorious privilege that there is today.

BigMack

77 posted on 07/08/2002 2:02:33 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: RnMomof7
Show me where they held confession in any form...show me where they gave absolution to any mans sin..show me where they taught that principle

We know how the Apostles interpreted the scripture because we have the earliest Catechism of the Apostles as well as the understanding of the earliest Christians.

What is new and novel is the protestant rejection of this interpretation.

"In church confess your sins, and do not come to your prayer with a guilt conscience. Such is the Way of Life...On the Lord's own day,assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins,so that your sacrifice may be pure" Didache (The Writings of the Apostles),4:14,14:1(A.D.70),in ACW,6:18,23

Father who knowest the hearts of all grant upon this Thy servant whom Thou hast chosen for the episcopate to feed Thy holy flock and serve as Thine high priest,that he may minister blamelessly by night and day,that he may unceasingly behold and propriate Thy countenance and offer to Thee the gifts of Thy holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority to forgive sins..." Hippolytus,Apostolic Tradition,3(A.D. 215),in AT,4-5

"In addition to these there is also a seventh, albeit hard and laborious: the remission of sins through penance...when he does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord" Origen,Homilies on Leviticus,2:4(A.D. 248),in JUR,I:207

I entreat you, beloved brethren, that each one should confess his own sin, while he who has sinned is still in this world, while his confession may be received, while the satisfaction and remission made by the priests are pleasing to the Lord?" Cyprian,To the Lapsed,28-29(A.D. 251),in ANF,IV:445

"For although in smaller sins sinners may do penance for a set time, and according to the rules of discipline come to public confession, and by imposition of the hand of the bishop and clergy receive the right of communion: now with their time still unfulfilled, while persecution is still raging, while the peace of the Church itself is not vet restored, they are admitted to communion, and their name is presented; and while the penitence is not yet performed, confession is not yet made, the hands Of the bishop and clergy are not yet laid upon them, the eucharist is given to them; although it is written, 'Whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.' " Cyprian,To the Clergy,9(16):2 (A.D. 250),in ANF,IV:290

"It is necessary to confess our sins to those whom the dispensation of God's mysteries is entrusted." Basil,Rule Briefly Treated,288(A.D. 374),in JUR,II:26

78 posted on 07/08/2002 2:03:22 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Show me in the Bible..the early record of the church..written in the hand of the apostles where they understood Jesus to forfeit his right to be judge and a savior? Where is it poly?
79 posted on 07/08/2002 2:10:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Polycarp
The scripture is the question not the answer Poly..what did the apostles undersand his words to mean..You can not keep giving the question as the answer

Show me where Peter took upon himself or taught the early church that they were to replace Christ as judge and savior

80 posted on 07/08/2002 2:14:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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