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To: Jean Chauvin
"Nope."

Then someone had better explain how exactly one can be consistent and say in another post, "I will give you credit though, you did find something from Melancthon I don't agree with" (or words to that effect) and yet say in this last one that you had yet to be shown "one" (your emphasis) quotation upon which you disagreed from Melancthon. Also, did you check out the letter from Melancthon to Calvin dated from 1554, wherein Melancthon stated that he "could not accept a secret decree in God that inexorably meant some were saved and others damned, although he could not harmonize divine foreknowledge and human will" (quoted from the Preface to the 1555 Loci translation I found)?

92 posted on 07/01/2002 1:04:46 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian
"Then someone had better explain how exactly one can be consistent and say in another post, "I will give you credit though, you did find something from Melancthon I don't agree with" (or words to that effect) and yet say in this last one that you had yet to be shown "one" (your emphasis) quotation upon which you disagreed from Melancthon."

Refresh my memory. What exactly was it I disagreed with? Then I will comment.

hint: In reference to my "one quotation" comment, I'm looking for a quote from Melanchthon in which he states a position on synergism/monergism or predestination of which I disagree with -i.e. that I could claim he left the reformational teaching. Of course, Luther held to predestination as well. However, I do have disagreements with his postion (he gave no room for a free will as you find in Calvin). This would not stop me from making the same 'general' comment in context (of claiming so and so was a synergist/arminian). Likewise, despite their minimal differences, in the context of a synergism/monergism discussion, one can safely say that Luther and Calvin were of one mind on the doctrine of Predestination. In other words, I could say of Luther that you could not find one comment of his pertaining to this discussion (synergism/monergism) of which I would disagree with.

Certainly, I don't embrace Melancthon's theology 100%. There are differences. I do remember making the comment, but if my memory serves me, it wasn't a comment as to his doctrine. Rather, it was a comment on the fact that he changed emphasis (or something similar). I could be wrong. But in any case, the 'disagreement' I had was not an issue of Melancthon being a synergist. He wans't!

"Also, did you check out the letter from Melancthon to Calvin dated from 1554, wherein Melancthon stated that he "could not accept a secret decree in God that inexorably meant some were saved and others damned, although he could not harmonize divine foreknowledge and human will" (quoted from the Preface to the 1555 Loci translation I found)?

Yup. I've seen it before. (Some people like myself, are single predestinarians -which is closer to the position of Melancthon as evidenced by your quote -in context, of course.)

AND, I've been saying for a long time here, that even though God ordains all things, man freely chooses to do all he does. Like Melancthon, I cannot harmonize these two things logically or rationally. Nonetheless, the fact that they are biblically true trumps their 'irrationality' every single time! This is similar to the doctrine of the Trinity. I cannot explain it. It doesn't make sense to me. If you were to treat my doctrine of the trinity to the rationalistic approach you treat the doctrine of predestination, you would deny me the possibility that I believe in ONE GOD and have me being a Polytheist. The same holds true for Creation out of nothing. I cannot explain it. (How can something be created out of absolutely nothing at all?????) Nonetheless, the fact that scripture declares this to be so trumps the 'irrationality' of it every time.

Keep trying to prove from Melancthon that he was a synergist! (I won't hold my breath) ;)

Jean Jean

94 posted on 07/01/2002 1:29:58 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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