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To: knighthawk; VOA
In Turkish it's spelled Halife, in English the Caliphate or the Caliph as the Pope..

When faced with a crazed enemy like Usame bin Laden, we fight him in the name of God, whether we're Christians, Jews, or Muslims.

You've been posting articles which portray me as violent. I am violent when I am attacked. So is the USA violent when attacked. Others are conformist in the face of attack, and just bend over.. Not me.

Mohammed was attacked by the rulers of Mecca for preaching the old testament and promoting the God of Abraham. He escaped to Medina and later came back to route the Meccans. So has he routed all high priests of idol worship who opposed him for fear of losing their tax base. More power to him, he did great for 620 anno domini.

Nobody preach to me about conquest and cruelty 1300 years ago, that was the norm then, and only addressed early in the 20th century with the Geneva convention.. I don't constantly bring up how the crusaders ate the inhabitants of "Ma'arret an Numan" do I?

Anyway..

The directions given by the Prophet Mohammad were that leadership of the Muslims should pass from one Caliph (pope) to the next upon the death of the current Caliph to the person closest to him. Closest friend? Closest relative? The following was split right after his death into Shiite and Sunni.

Absolute powr corrupts absolutely. If you think that child rape by catholic priests is sensational news, maybe it is, but it's nothing compared to what used to be done centuries ago. Priests of all religions excercise a sort of absolute power over believers. Centuries ago even more adults were the equivalent of todays children. The level of maturity among adults has increased over the past centuries, more so in the European countries and in their colonies where the natives did not prevail, all thanks to protestant Christianity and the resultant competition in education/ communication. This never happened in that scale in the realm of Islam.

The level of maturity among adults in the lands of Islam is generally low, with very few exceptions. Turkish people, for example, have a much much higher level of education than the overall average.. That's why we have seperated church from state, and that's why our laws are refined versions of God's basic commandments.

Usame and the like are raping the ignorant public around them, just like some corrupt priests rape little kids elsewhere in the world, where they can't get their way with adults any longer.. That's it.
19 posted on 06/09/2002 6:20:37 AM PDT by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
islam is a false religion as seen by this story. It is really a cult and terrorist.
20 posted on 06/09/2002 7:01:31 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: a_Turk
When faced with a crazed enemy like Usame bin Laden, we fight him in the name of God, whether we're Christians, Jews, or Muslims

I hate to say it, but it was awfuly queit in the islamic world when condemning Osama. Rushdie was quickly fatwa'd and millions of muslims, also the once in the UK and France, wanted him dead for smearing th name of islam.

When OBL smeared the name of islam and did things islam does not allow, where are the fatwas? Where are the millions of muslims taking to the streets to condemn these acts and to call the death of OBL for his actions?

And if I wanted to really smear you, I already would mention what the Ottomans did to the Armenians. I never did that. Nor I pinged anyone to such an article, where the Turks are protayed as crazy killers.

Yes, I blame islam, that is true. But it is time muslims deal with the maniac tendancies of their fellow muslims. All they did do is say that killing is opposed to islam, but never they did anything than protest the US attacking the Taliban. Time to act is now, but the moderates are doing nothing. The terror continues against Israel, with the support of muslims worldwide.

I have seen what the Arab media is saying about what has to be done to Jews and Americans. But somehow muslims never seem to protest loudly against the call for hate and armed jihad against unbelievers.

Yes, there are once that do, but only a few. Most muslims I encounter try to convince us they only want peace, but they forget to tell it to their fellow muslims.

It were no Buhddists, Hindus, Jews or Christians flying those planes or bombing people in Israel. The group-rapes in the Neterlands are not done by them. Neither does any of these groups call out for worldwide armed jihad like muslims do, or sell videos of Pearls behading.

Once this stops, I will too.

22 posted on 06/09/2002 8:14:46 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: a_Turk

I think it is hypocritical at best to pluck the beam out of someones eyes. Mohammad took upon himself a child as a wife. When the child was 9 years of age he consummated the marriage. The child did not even have her period yet and is subjected to that kind of torture by a Dirty Old Man like Mohammad. I am not condoning the behavior of sick and twisted catholic priest. It is just to edify and open your eyes. Just to let you know I am not a catholic. I am a Messianic Jew.


34 posted on 12/06/2007 5:48:09 PM PST by yeshua_my_savior
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