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To: Quix
Thank you for all your colorful comments, but you skillfully avoided some key passages mentioned in the article:
"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" (Matt. 24:34).

This is from the chapter in Matthew that dispensational premillennialists refer to when talking about the Great Tribulation.

"For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham" (Rom. 9:6b-7a).

Translation: The true Israel is not necessarily made up of biological Jews. Paul tells us in Romans 2:29, "But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter."

"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal. 3:29).

Translation: All believers in Christ are Abraham's seed (i.e., Christians belong to the true Israel.)

God's promises are not null and void. They were fulfilled in Christ. As the nation of Israel was once the bearer of God's light to the world, the church is now that "holy nation" (1 Peter 2:9).
17 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:17 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
It is perfectly plausible to construe the Scripture about "this generation" as:

(A) the generation that sees Israeli's returning to Israel from their dispersion SINCE CALVARY--THAT GENERATION SEEING ISRAELI'S RETURN TO ISRAEL--SHALL ALSO SEE THE REST OF THE END TIME SCRIPTURES FULFILLED. . . . a perfectly plausible, logical interpretation. . . one that best fits the language and context, to my mind.

(B) Another plausible interpretation is that "this generation" can be translated "people group"--this people group shall not cease to exist until all the rest of the end time stuff is fulfilled.

I'm still trying to even imagine what emotional, theological, psycho-dynamic--ANY-reason there might be for your interpretation. . . it's still hard for me to explain.

34 posted on 06/05/2002 7:14:45 PM PDT by Quix
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To: sheltonmac
>>> God's promises are not null and void. They were fulfilled in Christ. <<<

I think He even managed to tell us that he came to fulfill the law (Matt 5:17).

Then for emphasis: "It is finished.(John 19:30)"

36 posted on 06/05/2002 7:19:26 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: sheltonmac
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal. 3:29).

This Scripture does not exclude Israeli's in the least. It merely adds.

42 posted on 06/05/2002 7:35:19 PM PDT by Quix
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To: sheltonmac
"For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham" (Rom. 9:6b-7a).

Quite so!

AND . . .

For they are not all truly mine who are of the First Church of the Frozen Chosen. Nor are they all children because they are the seed of wild Scripture flingers.

God tends to look on the heart whether Israeli then, when or now--or Christian then, when or now. And those seeking truly after God shall find Him--HE SAID. And if you think there are no Israeli's truly seeking after God, your thinking and theology are more dismaying than I thought.

And if you think Almighty God would not care more for Israel as a NATION with 10 or 100 truly seeking Him than He cared for Sodom and Gomorrah . . . had 10 righteous been found in them.. . . . then I can't imagine what 7/11 you bought your logic at.

44 posted on 06/05/2002 7:40:06 PM PDT by Quix
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