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To: scottiewottie
In the original Hebrew "Elohim" is the common name for God. It is a plural form that defines the (for lack of a better term) "Trinity": there is one God, one Being who is God and only God; yet that one God has three different Persons, separate personas , the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Son is referred to as the Word in John 1. The Father is not the same persona as the Son. The Father is not the Son. The Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son. But that all are equally God. They possess everything that makes God God. They have God's nature and can be called God, yet there is only one God. This view is consistent throughout scripture, and holds up under any biblical scrutiny!
37 posted on 05/28/2002 1:50:09 PM PDT by WhatNot
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To: WhatNot
I wonder why you keep ignoring the refutation of what the lie was. Did or did not God say "they have become as one of us, to know good and evil"? If so, how was that Satan's lie?
38 posted on 05/28/2002 2:29:00 PM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: WhatNot
In the original Hebrew "Elohim" is the common name for God. It is a plural form that defines the (for lack of a better term) "Trinity":

Now that is a stretch trying to change the meaning of Elohim which is plural and it didn't indicate a number like trinity.

Now the Holy Spirit has no body of flesh and Bone. You Believe that God the Father has no body, yet the Son has a resurrected body of Flesh and Bone.

1.So we have Holy Spirit which is a Spirit.

2. We have God the Father that you believe has no body of Flesh and Bone.

3.We have the Son of God who is in the image of his Father and has a body of Flesh and Bone and they are all of one mind.

Besides the Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Ghost; we have angels like Michael, Gabriel, Raphael etc that have become man and took on a temporal body.

You have an abridged portions of the scriptures and there is much more that will come forth in the earth and how will you be able to tell if it is of the Lord. How do you know the Bible is of the Lord. To make clear I do believe the Bible is of the Lord.

But how did you know it is of him?

39 posted on 05/28/2002 2:46:45 PM PDT by restornu
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To: WhatNot
In the original Hebrew "Elohim" is the common name for God. It is a plural form that defines the (for lack of a better term) "Trinity": there is one God, one Being who is God and only God; yet that one God has three different Persons, separate personas , the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Correction: The "im" part of the name depicts a plurality of glory and majesty. The "im" part can also express a numerical plurality such as the word "Cherubims" does in verse 24. "Cherubims" by the way is a wrong translation, the "s" is superfluous, "cherubim" means the same thing, namely legions of angels.

Now the problem you have is that in Hebrew there is no majestic "us". "Us" is plurality in number, a first person expression of membership in a group of something.

Here is a significant dilema for the trinitarian. Here in Genesis we have muliple forms of deity, "Elohim"(God) , "LORD"(Jehovah), and "Jehovah The Elohim"(LORD God). In trinitarian expression we are taught that the reason for three personalities being expressed is that each defines a specific personality or role of God in relation to man. This premis is sorely challenged here in Genesis.

Which personality of the trinity is used to define creation? Why would two expressions be necessary if God is a Trinity? This alone is beyond trinitarian reason and expression, and is a true contradiction to conventional definitions of a need and expression in a Trinity.

A far better expression would be the LDS Godhead, that states that there are Three Gods, united in one purpose. Therefore we can have Jehovah(Who is Christ) The God, declaring to the other Gods(The Father and the Holy Ghost) that man has become "one of us".

This makes John Chapter one a very easy read to the Latter-day Saint: "In the beginning", when earth was created; "was The Word", known as logos or cause to philosophers, in reverance to the name of deity for the jews, one expression also for 'the name of the Lord', or Jehovah; "and The Word was with God", actually 'the Word was with the God'in greek, meaning that Jehovah or this logos was with 'the God' which is God the Father; "and The Word was God", John is presenting Christ as the literal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the mediator between God and man from the beginning and as the next verse confirms the Creator of heaven and Earth and all that is in it.

So then who created the earth? Jesus, whom was known to Abraham as Jehovah. This was John's declaration, this same Christ that we worship is the very same God as known to Abraham. Do not be amazed that it is so, since this is declared so from the very beginning. For it was Christ Himself that declared to His Father, "the man has become as one of us".

41 posted on 05/28/2002 2:54:04 PM PDT by scottiewottie
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