Posted on 05/27/2002 9:55:07 PM PDT by restornu
Correction: The "im" part of the name depicts a plurality of glory and majesty. The "im" part can also express a numerical plurality such as the word "Cherubims" does in verse 24. "Cherubims" by the way is a wrong translation, the "s" is superfluous, "cherubim" means the same thing, namely legions of angels.
Now the problem you have is that in Hebrew there is no majestic "us". "Us" is plurality in number, a first person expression of membership in a group of something.
Here is a significant dilema for the trinitarian. Here in Genesis we have muliple forms of deity, "Elohim"(God) , "LORD"(Jehovah), and "Jehovah The Elohim"(LORD God). In trinitarian expression we are taught that the reason for three personalities being expressed is that each defines a specific personality or role of God in relation to man. This premis is sorely challenged here in Genesis.
Which personality of the trinity is used to define creation? Why would two expressions be necessary if God is a Trinity? This alone is beyond trinitarian reason and expression, and is a true contradiction to conventional definitions of a need and expression in a Trinity.
A far better expression would be the LDS Godhead, that states that there are Three Gods, united in one purpose. Therefore we can have Jehovah(Who is Christ) The God, declaring to the other Gods(The Father and the Holy Ghost) that man has become "one of us".
This makes John Chapter one a very easy read to the Latter-day Saint: "In the beginning", when earth was created; "was The Word", known as logos or cause to philosophers, in reverance to the name of deity for the jews, one expression also for 'the name of the Lord', or Jehovah; "and The Word was with God", actually 'the Word was with the God'in greek, meaning that Jehovah or this logos was with 'the God' which is God the Father; "and The Word was God", John is presenting Christ as the literal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the mediator between God and man from the beginning and as the next verse confirms the Creator of heaven and Earth and all that is in it.
So then who created the earth? Jesus, whom was known to Abraham as Jehovah. This was John's declaration, this same Christ that we worship is the very same God as known to Abraham. Do not be amazed that it is so, since this is declared so from the very beginning. For it was Christ Himself that declared to His Father, "the man has become as one of us".
What do you think this big production was all about,Creating Earth, man, sending his Son to Redeem US for what purpose? Maybe you think the Deist are right?,
not by works,lest any man should**** boast
The LDS never believe that we will be God the Heavenly Father. We will have attributes in abilities to do many things when the resurrection occurs and those who are worthy will received bodies of Flesh and Bone, as of today we have a temporal bodies of Flesh and Blood.
**** Those who are not humble in Spirit, will not reside in the presents of the Lord.
Actually I prefer the Bible version, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."(Eph. 2:8,9)
I also fully agree. Any obedience to any law cannot save you, yet the faithful are obedient to God.
10 "You are my witnesses," declares the Lord , "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord , and apart from me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed- I, and not some foreign god among you.
Is that clear enough! know, believe,understand, no mormon is going to make it....
Sorry, my observation is that you cannot know this, since you have no idea what a mormon knows. Where do I find contradiction with Isaiah? I worship only one God, through His Son, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
There is no contradiction at all. Christ demands that we worship His Father. The Holy Ghost Declares that God is God, and Christ is Christ. Three separate Gods, yet two of them declare that we worship The One and Only True God. Why would I not worship God the Father, through His Son Jesus The Christ, by the power of the Holy Ghost? My God is not divided, there are two that witness of Him. Three Gods united in purpose, yet we worship only one God.
That is not the doctrine of the Church, CG. You cannot find that in the LDS Scriptures, which is where the doctrine of the Church is. You can't find the "Adam-God Theory" in there either. Nor do our Church Leaders support these ideas. RnMom can tell you how many times I went over that with CCWoody, one of our Calvinist friends.
I took a look at the website you linked to, and it seems to be a bunch of guys over in England that are looking for "mysteries" and "meat" (instead of milk), and I don't think they are very successful, because they are not looking in the Scriptures for it. They seem to think you have to get away from the Scriptures to find it.
The truths of God are plain and simple. To me, the mysteries of Godliness are the things we have been learning about since we were small: faith, humility, patience, trustworthiness, courage, wholesome discipline, kindness, etc. Christ-like character. Things that are easy to understand but take a lifetime to master. Like the title of that book, "All I Really Need to Know, I Learned in Kindergarten".
Let's stick to the Scriptures.
Not equating, the physical body which is termed "flesh" within the scriptures which includes the carnal mind is Satan. Just to be perfectly clear, when you look into that mirror you see Satan and that which will fight you to the death to insure you are lost. That is why Christ could call Peter Satan, that is why Satan had a synagogue and today possesses many many churches.
Romans 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Then we went off to get a terrific sunburn. We spent the afternoon at a not too crowded water park. It was a bit on the cool side, about 80, but enjoyable none the less.
We are going to Disney..I will not swap *grin*
Glad ya had a pleasant time.. your wife needed the rest:>)
We will have to agree to disagree on this. We look on those verses with a different meaning. We belive Satan to be a individual, a fallen angel. It is true that we are composed of both body and spirit, and if we follow the urges of our body we will fall under Satan's influence, and if we follow the urges of the spirit we draw closer to God, but the resurected Christ had a body of 'flesh and bone' and promised the same to all in the resurection. There is nothing of Satan in Christ. When I look in the mirror, I see me. If I have surpressed the spirit within me and am ruled by my flesh, then I have become develish, but neither I nor my body is Satan.
23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
When we walk in the ways of the Lord his face shines upon thee. So when on is baptised they take on the the radiants of the Lord and it is Joy and Peace that will remain with us as long as we walk in his ways.
Look up the word countenance and shine scriptures and feast.
We rented a house..if you would like info FR mail me:>) PSSSSS has a pool and everything:>))
Bump!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.