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To: ventana; CCWoody
Re. 4

We believe that all mankind is not only not in the boat, but has already drowned. Man doesn't need a lifeboat to save him from eventually drowning, he needs a heart transplant to give him new life because has has already drowned in his sin.

Where do you find support that "The Elect" does not and cannot equal "Whosoever," ever. ??

5 posted on 05/07/2002 12:07:50 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Where do you find support that "The Elect" does not and cannot equal "Whosoever," ever. ??

Perhaps the elect are the angels--as in the elect angels.

Unfortunately for the Arminian, who wants self-election, being elect as the angels are elect would mean that no man would ever be saved.

11 posted on 05/07/2002 12:22:17 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Jerry_M; RnMomof7
It is quite evident that not one of these non-Calvinist understands sin.

And they are all saying that Jesus suffered for sinners whom God will then turn around and punish in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Thus, God punished twice the same sins. And they call Calvinism sick!

I wonder if the Bible says that unbelief is a sin....

15 posted on 05/07/2002 12:48:04 PM PDT by CCWoody
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