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To: Brices Crossroads
"No Mary, no Jesus"- Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

Do you take her word over the word of God..didn't you tell me God did not HAVE to uses Mary..now you say no Mary no Jesus?

Mother Teresa also said

Mother Teresa said, "He [God] is our father, He is father to us all whatever religion we are" (Meditations From A Simple Path, p. 6).
and,
Mother Teresa, and those who worked with her, never tried to convert to Christ the dying people for whom they cared. Instead, "Mother" Teresa declared: "If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. ... What God is in your mind you must accept" (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work, by Desmond Doig, p. 156).

"These people are waiting to die. What are you telling them to prepare them for death and eternity? She replied candidly, 'We tell them to pray to their Bhagwan, to their gods.'"

Do you also agreee with all of this?

I think she was a compassionate lady but her words do not point to Christ!  

196 posted on 07/04/2002 7:38:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
This thread is beginning to sound like the movie "Dogma," in which many of these issues were addressed, and not in an entirely unintelligent way.

The sad part of all this, RNMomof7, is that we are so close, but yet so far apart.

As the daughter of a (once)staunch Protestant father and a devout Catholic mother, I might have a bit of a more enlightened perspective on how these disagreements play out in real life.

The truth of the matter is that, despite Catholic tradition, the Bible does NOT say Mary was conceived sinless. On the other hand, there is nothing to prove she was conceived a sinner, either. Even if we have to resort to the argument about the verse that "all men are sinners." Well, St. Stephen was a man. Mary was not.

But let's not try to count how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

The concept of the Immaculate Conception came about after a Marian apparition to St. Catherine Laboure, in the Rue de Bac, in Paris, in 1830. Read the story here.

It was the first in a series of Marian apparitions in France in the nineteenth century, the most famous of which occurred at Lourdes, about 27 years later. If you recall the movie "Song of Bernadette," you might remember that Bernadette Soubirous spoke patois, had virtually no education, never left her village, and could never have heard the term "Immaculate Conception." The local priests had never heard it either, and were amazed to hear such a thing coming from the mouth of an impoverished teen-ager. It became official Catholic doctrine several years later.

But I know that won't convince my Protestant friends.If you don't believe Mary was conceived without sin, you probably don't believe she was appearing to anyone, either, at least as a messenger from God.

No one can be converted, or "saved" if you want to call it that, without the grace of God. Mother Teresa understood her mission, as well as the lesson the British learned in Ireland: that it impossible to convert a people from the religion they were born to if they aren't open to conversion, and/or without the direct intervention of God.

She simply showed mercy instead.

Mary, and I speak only from my own experience, is WAY beyond us, in terms of purity and holiness, and yet closer to us, in a sense, than God, because of her pure humanity. She was a daughter of God, because of her immaculate nature, and a mother of God, and that unique role is what makes her so special to so many Catholics.

For the Protestants -- many Catholics believe that the verse about "putting enmity between you and the woman" means that in the last days, there will be a HUGE attack against the Blessed Mother, and the Catholic Church, and that she will crush the attack with her heel.

For the Catholics,(and the Protestants, too) read the thread on my homepage entitled "Lux Mundi -- a Word to the Scoffers,Secularists and the Discouraged."

It is long, but it is worth the read.

Btw, my father, who served as an assistant chaplain in WWII, said he only decided to marry my mother, despite opposition from his family, after a strange incident he experienced while driving through a tunnel. He said he saw a flash of light, and a beautiful woman who told him "It will be all right."

And it was. Plenty of problems, but no divorces, no violence, no arrests, no alcoholism, no illegal drug addiction, no injuries from horrible accidents, thank God and Jesus. And all three adult children (and grand children) still go to church every Sunday, which is pretty unusual for Catholic families of that era. It took him 35 years to convert, but my father eventually did, although he had some real difficulties going to confession, and giving up meat on Fridays in Lent.

My father died three years ago, and I miss him very much, because he taught me just as much about God and Jesus as my mother, and I love both my parents for that, and God, and Jesus, and yes, Mary as well.

Because if it wasn't for Mary, I might not be here.

197 posted on 07/04/2002 11:03:48 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: RnMomof7
"No Mary, no Jesus" is a statement of fact. Of course, God did not have to use Mary. But He did. Jesus took His human nature entirely from Mary, with her free consent. That is done. Would Jesus be the same as He is if Mary had never existed or if she had said no to God's plan? Would God just have created a duplicate? Every one of his creatures is unique, so I doubt it. We can speculate till Kingdom Come in what God might have done had Mary said no to his offer to become His Mother. Would He have sought another woman, another way or simply decided to destroy the human race? The fact is that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, who is God. She is not the saviour or God, nor has the Church ever said so. She cooperated with the Redeemer in His work of salvation, by saying yes to God at the Annunciation and by suffering with Him at the foot of the Cross.

The passage you cite in response to another post, Matthew 12:48-50, is frequently cited, by those who detest Mary, as evidence that Jesus had no more regard for her than anyone else in the crowd. If you really believe that, you must think Jesus paid little attention to the Decalogue, number 4, to be precise. What Jesus said was actually a high compliment to Our Lady. "Whoever does the will of my Father is brother and sister and mother to me." No creature ever did the will of the Father more perfectly than Mary. She completely fulfilled God's will in her life to such an extent that He called her "Full of Grace". I don't find that scary at all. Neither did the protestant poet Wordsworth, who called Mary "our tainted nature's solitary boast."

As I told you earlier, God ould have chosen to redeem the human race in any number of ways. He could have chosen to become man in any number of ways. He did not have to be born. He chose to come to us through Mary. I choose to go to Him in the same way He came to me, through Mary.

200 posted on 07/05/2002 6:00:51 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: RnMomof7
You wrote:

I think she was a compassionate lady but her words do not point to Christ!

Here life CLEARLY points to Christ. Let's see what your life currently points to.

I've been reading a few of your posts, ma'am, and you are a bigot of the worst kind. You and a couple of others fake friendship and exchange "kind" words with a few Catholics here, but you will use every opportunity to bash the faith that we hold sacred and the Church clearly established by the Son of God. You do this by imploying outright lies, half truths and copied material from bigoted anti Catholic sources. You must have a terribly unmeaningful and unproductive life if day and night you and your friends need to continually come to this site and spew your BS regarding Catholicism.

Mother Teresa's life was a testimony to seeing the Son of God and serving Him in the least of His creatures as we ALL are mandated to do. She was permitted to remain in India and was supported by the Indian (HINDU) government precisely because her apostolate was to assist the sick and the dying. If her apostolate were to be a missionary and promote Catholicism/Christianity, she would have failed miserably and would have been removed from that HINDU country without hesitation. Instead, she was supported by the Hindus and her sisters have been able to aid hundreds of thousands of the poor, the hungry, the dying, and those abandoned by their own families around the world. Unlike you and a few others here, she preached with her life and by her selfless example, not with her chattering mouth on an Internet website every morning, noon, and night.

You copied from Dave Hunt:

"We tell them to pray to their Bhagwan, to their gods."

That quote, as you know, comes from the notorious anti-Catholic, Dave Hunt.

Why didn't you provide the rest of the material from the site you copied that one quote from? Why didn't you give that quote proper attribution to Dave Hunt? I'll tell you why. If you did properly attribute that would it make you appear to be too much of a bigot, too much of a radical anti Catholic, too much of a half-wit, thereby exposing yourself as such to your Catholic "friends"? I'll provide another quote from your site:

"Mother" Teresa is a thorough-going Catholic. She is a great worshiper of Mary; she believes the cracker of the mass is Jesus Christ; she believes all men are children of God.

Why didn't you post this quote also? Don't bother to answer although I know you will. But, don't expect a reply from me. I know what you are, I know what you are about and I have no use for you or the other transparent bigots who post at FR.

Source

202 posted on 07/05/2002 7:02:19 AM PDT by Sock
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