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To: Brices Crossroads
I do not concede the argument on the nominative, though I do admit that my English is probably less polished (Engineering degree). I do believe it is an artificial distinction and I do believe the Greek is critical in establishing such a distinction.

Jesus was both fully God and full man. In his humanity He had a special love for his Mother, his extended family, his friends. However, His love for Mary from the Divine perspective is not less than His love for you. Your perspective focuses on His humanity, mine on His deity.

Does God the Father love Mary more than you? I say no.
193 posted on 07/04/2002 3:32:14 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Steve, Thanks for the post. Whether you agree with the Church and me on Mary's sinlessness, I make two observations. Jesus is truly Go and truly man; He has two natures,but is one person. Jesus loves Mary more than me, because she more closely reflects Him than I, or any other creature. I think that to divide his humaity from his divinity is Nestorianism, which I am sure you reject. The reason I say that he loves Mary more than me is not only based on my belief in the church's teaching about her, but also on the Angel's denomination of her as "Full of Grace" Being full of the friendship of God, God loves her more than me or you or John Doe. She was closer to Him, had a more intimate role in the history of salvation and suffered with Him at the foot of the Cross. I am not full of grace and neither are you. God loves us, true, but He has a special love for those who do His will perfectly.

Since Jesus Himself said, "I and my Father are One", I believe that God cannot be subdivided either. God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) has a unique relationship with Mary. She is the daughter that God the Father showed to the serpent in the garden of Eden with the promise that her offspring would crush his head. She is the Mother of God the Son, who gave Him His sacred humanity. She is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, who overshadowed her at the Annunciation and again at Pentecost, the birthday of the Church. How could God not love her more? He has done more for her and she has done more for Him.

As far as your Greek distinctions, I believe I am right. You'll have to check with a scholar, though, because i don't fill the bill. Even if I were not, the fact that the Church has defined the dogama of the Immaculate COnception would be enough for me to believe it, even if it did not make logical sense (ie-Why would God, if He could choose His own mother, which He could, not choose the Holiest Mother He could, that is: one who was sinless) Of course He would and Of course He did. Have a great day.

198 posted on 07/05/2002 4:23:45 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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