Palestinians Go House to House Killing Israelis

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[TheLurkerX]

JERUSALEM

[A Navy Vet]

Rick, what is it that drives you to be on the wrong side of almost every issue. Don't bother with, "that's your opinion". Those of us who have been subject to your peculiar thought process know you to be the contrarian in just about every matter discussed on this forum. Is it for fun, or is it pathological? Have you ever wondered why you're usually in conflict with the majority? Have you ever wondered how so many can be so wrong and you are always so right?

As for this topic, it's apparent you don't understand urban warfare tactics. Therefore, it's beyond your scope to understand the differences between the IDF and Palis operational procedures and their consequences. Have a nice day.

[anapikoros]

Why is it important that we attack them now?

All other issues aside I believe the agenda is being set by Iraq's progress towards WMD's and in particulae nukes within about 2 years.

If Saddam can achieve his ambition of acquiring WMD's he will be impossible to control and with his track record etc etc

[SJackson]

In otherwords, you can't offer any support for your assertion that I am posting stuff from Carto or the Spotlight or any other number of Jew-hating sites. Your tactics aren't working.

Catspaw and demi, just copying you for info.

Anyone who's confused about this souce issue, your don't need an advanced degree to figure it out. If you go to post 527 and you will see:

This is a picture of a young boy about to me murdered by Palestinian gunman. To see where the picture comes from, on either the pic in 527 or the one below:

1-Center your cursor on the picture

2-Right click your mouse button

3-Go to properties

4-read the "source". Oops, it's http://www.hoffman-info.com/images/mohammed_aldoura3.JPG

At your own risk, if you strip off everything after .com you can paste it in your browser, visit this vile site, and see where some Freepers get their info.

[Democrats are liars]

Israeli Forces Raid West Bank Town In Defiance of Bush
 

JERUSALEM, April 26 -- Ignoring another demand from President Bush for an end to military operations in Palestinian-controlled areas, Israeli troops swept through the West Bank town of Qalqilyah today and Israeli snipers shot and wounded two Palestinians in the besieged Church of the Nativity compound in Bethlehem.

Backed by armored vehicles, Israeli infantry moved into Qalqilyah late Thursday night and left this evening. During the incursion, they arrested 16 Palestinians, confiscated explosive devices and killed the local head of a militant Palestinian group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, in a shootout, Israeli officials said.

Twenty-six other Palestinians were arrested in villages near Qalqilyah, 35 miles northwest of Jerusalem near the line between the West Bank and Israel.

As that operation was winding down, Israeli snipers in Bethlehem shot two Palestinians in the Church of Nativity complex after four other Palestinians had surrendered. Israeli military sources told the Reuters news agency that Israeli soldiers shot the men after they were spotted inside the compound preparing to fire. After taking the two into custody, Israel evacuated them for medical treatment.

The military sweep in Qalqilyah and the shooting in Bethlehem -- where Palestinian gunmen have been holed up with other Palestinians and clergy members for more than three weeks -- came as Bush urged Israel for the second day in a row to heed his long-standing request for an end to military operations in the West Bank.

"There has been some progress, but it's now time to quit it altogether. It's time to end this. Well, we'll see what happens. I know they've heard us," Bush told reporters at his ranch in Crawford, Tex.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said earlier this week that Israel had "completed" its offensive, which was launched on March 29 after a wave of suicide bombings. Israeli forces have withdrawn from the centers of most of the cities they targeted in the attacks. But they remain active throughout the West Bank.

Besides the siege in Bethlehem, which remains under military curfew, Israeli troops continued to surround the Ramallah compound of the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. Israel insists that Arafat hand over Palestinians in the compound wanted for various offenses against Israel, including four men accused of killing the Israeli tourism minister last year in revenge for the assassination of a leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Arafat's Palestinian Authority convicted the men Thursday after a makeshift court proceeding, but Israel called the trial a sham.

Israeli forces, moreover, remained poised outside several other major West Bank cities -- including Jenin, where they fought a fierce 10-day street battle earlier this month -- and continued to mount raids such as today's operation in Qalqilyah.

As they have in the past, Israeli officials said they are doing their best to comply with Bush's request, but that Israel has no choice but to act on intelligence warnings of imminent terrorist threats. They said that was the case in Qalqilyah and that troops there discovered nine explosive belts of the type used in suicide bombings, as well as a car rigged as a bomb.

Three of the 16 Palestinians arrested in Qalqilyah were identified as suicide bombers planning an attack inside Israel, said Gideon Meir, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry.

"The last thing Israel would like to do is get into any confrontation with the American administration," Meir said. Bush, he added, "understands Israel's right to defend itself."

During the operation in Qalqilyah, Israeli troops killed two Palestinians, including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine's Raad Musa Madi, whom Israeli officials blame for a Feb. 16 attack that killed three Israeli teenagers in the Jewish settlement of Karnei Shomron.

An army spokesman, meanwhile, said Israeli may be losing patience with talks aimed at ending the Bethlehem standoff. "We do not want to prolong this. Therefore, we could resort to a military option," said the spokesman, Capt. Joel Leyden.

Sharon's willingness to continue military operations in the West Bank may hurt his standing abroad, but it only seems to help him in Israel. A large majority of Israelis consider the recent offensive a success -- two weeks have passed since the last suicide bombings -- and Sharon's popularity has soared.

According to a poll published today in the newspaper Maariv, 65 percent of Israelis describe themselves as "pleased" with Sharon's performance, compared with 39 percent before the operation. About 57 percent said they feel safer as a result of the operation, compared with just 13 percent who said they felt less safe.

Sharon also can take comfort in knowing that Washington does not speak with a single voice on the topic, Israeli officials suggested. Congress is solidly behind Israel and the Bush administration is internally divided. Bush himself has sent mixed messages, as when he declared recently that Sharon is "a man of peace" who had met his "timetable" for withdrawal.

"He sees it as negotiable," an Israeli cabinet official said of Sharon's attitude toward Bush's requests for a complete pullout.

Israel continued to resist pressure from U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to cooperate with an inquiry into the battle at the Jenin refugee camp, in which 23 Israeli soldiers and at least 50 Palestinians were killed. In a statement this afternoon, Sharon's office said Israel seeks to delay arrival of the team leading the inquiry -- scheduled for Saturday -- until "problematic points have been clarified."

Israeli officials have challenged the composition of the team, saying it lacks military expertise. In addition, army radio reported that Israel is insisting on guarantees that the findings of the inquiry will not be used to prosecute soldiers.

"The participants in today's government discussion noted that the [Israeli Defense Force] had fought a difficult battle in Jenin with armed terrorists who purposely concealed themselves among the civilian population," the Israeli statement said.

 

[Texbob]

According the the Arab terrorist supporters in the USA, the Palestinians have a right to do this, its the Israelis that do not have the right to defend themselves. I suspect these same people will still be supporting Plaestinians when more suicide bombers start hitting the USA again will still be pro Arab Terrorist as long as the bombers do not kill them.

[Cachelot]

This is a canard. It is not the first place I run to for information.

Ah. Lying again :)). According to Catspaw, whom I believe and whose credentials are impeccable, it took you six minutes to drag up hoffman-info.com. That suggests to me that not only was this the first place you turned, but that you actually live there.

Or did you look in 500 normal sites first, didn't find anything suitable for your purposes, and THEN turn to hoffman-info? Dang, that's fast. But if so, it would demonstrate your mendacity even more perfectly. When you can't find material that suits you, go to the holocoust-denial sites :)).

OF COURSE IT WAS THE FIRST PLACE YOU LOOKED. Are you actually retarded?

[straight1]

Parallel Universe? 14 Christians Killed in Indonesia

Sun Apr 28, 9:04 AM ET

By MICHAEL CASEY, Associated Press Writer

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Assailants in black masks hacked, shot and burned to death 14 Christians, including a six-month-old baby, in the religiously divided capital of Indonesia's Maluku province Sunday, threatening a fragile peace pact.

Carrying automatic rifles, grenades and daggers, about a dozen men yelling "kill them all" stormed the mainly Christian village of Soya on Ambon's outskirts, 1,600 miles east of Jakarta, witnesses said.

They set 30 homes and a Protestant church on fire, and went from house to house, shooting into those that were occupied, witnesses said. Six Christians, including the baby, were stabbed to death and six others were killed in fires. Two more were believed to be shot to death.

The killings came two days after a militant Islamic group, Laskar Jihad, rejected the February peace deal, which was meant to end three years of fighting between Muslims and Christians here that has left 9,000 dead.

"It may be the end of the peace deal," said Christian pastor Cornelius Bohm in Ambon. "There is no doubt that it was Laskar Jihad" behind Sunday's attack in Ambon.

Laskar Jihad share Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s anti-Western stance but its commander, Jafar Umar Thalib, has denied any links to international terror. The group could not be reached for comment Sunday. ###

Four Die in Jewish Settlement Attack

Sat Apr 27,10:25 PM ET

By ARTHUR MAX, Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) - Palestinian gunmen burst into homes in a Jewish settlement and killed four people, including a 5-year-old girl.

Seven people were wounded in the attack on Adora, near Hebron, the worst on a settlement since Israel began its military campaign to crush Palestinian militants. The three gunmen escaped, but Israeli military officials said one of them was shot dead in a neighboring Arab village in a sweep launched after the shooting.

At Adora, a hilltop settlement of 52 families set among Palestinian villages, the Israeli army said three attackers dressed in what appeared to be army uniforms cut through the settlement's defensive perimeter fence.

The gunmen moved from house to house, entering two of them and firing through windows of others, while many of the men were attending Sabbath prayers at the settlement's synagogue.

One man shot Shiri Shefi, 29, and her three children in an upstairs bedroom, killing 5-year-old Danielle. Another attacker shot his way into a nearby home, killing Katya Greenberg, 45, in her bed and wounding her husband and 14-year-old son.

"Anyone capable of looking a 4-year-boy and a 5-year-girl in the face and then shooting them is not human," said the distraught father, Yaacov Shefi, whose 1-year-old son also was wounded. ### [It's the Muslims, stupid.] -- Dovid Ben Chaim Blessed are You, G-d, who gives Your People Israel a mighty arm and the will to use it. Be strong! Be strong! May we all be strengthened! TAKE IT ALL BACK AND KEEP IT!

[veronica]

Find it amazing that you and the other seminar posters...

How odd. You are one of few anti-Israel types to suddenly start using the term 'seminar poster' or 'Israeli seminar poster'. Did you guys circulate a memo or something?

[Catspaw]

This is a picture of a young boy about to me murdered by Palestinian gunman. To see where the picture comes from, on either the pic in 527 or the one below:

1-Center your cursor on the picture

2-Right click your mouse button

3-Go to properties

4-read the "source". Oops, it's http://www.hoffman-info.com/images/mohammed_aldoura3.JPG

At your own risk, if you strip off everything after .com you can paste it in your browser, visit this vile site, and see where some Freepers get their info.

Oh, not one photo from the anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier site, but TWO?  Doggie's setting a record today. 

[Maelstrom]

There's no such thing as a Palestinian land...and throughout all of history, there never was. They are arabs, many are Trans-Jordanians, assumed into society with the expectation of assimilation with the culture after Arabs attacked Israel in the beginning of the latest incarnation if Israel.

Others were Arabs left over after another failed attack in 1967. There is no Palestinian culture, religion, language or any other reason for them to be separated from Arabs from neighboring countries...the reason is because they are no different from Arabs from nearby countries...because in many cases they *are* Arabs from nearby countries

[SKempis]

All ten of them? LOL

I feel safe in estimating that for every anti-Israel poster here, there are 100 who think they are morons. Yet those few still talk as though the rest of must be Amen corner, seminar posters, or Jews who care more about Israel than America. LOL

I guess it makes it easier for them to cope with the fact that their views would be welcome at DU.

[A Navy Vet]

I doubt demidog is Muslim. A good Muslim wouldn't believe that child porn should be legal to own.

[Maelstrom]

What is Israel doing?

Defending herself. You now have a solution to your imagined moral dilemma.

[Maelstrom]

Re: 20 to 1

I think you're right. Afterall, the Israelis are going to be accused of massacres anyway, if they're going to take the blame no matter what they do, why shouldn't they finish this in a far more effective way than has been to date? I am constantly amazed by Israeli restraint.

[SJackson]

Oh, not one photo from the anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier site, but TWO? Doggie's setting a record today.

LOL, that wasn't it? Funny, that picture can be retrieved on google (and I'm sure yahoo and others) in seconds with a search for "al dura". It's old material, it actually takes much longer on Hoffman, unless of course you happen to be there in another window.

[Cachelot]

I doubt demidog is Muslim. A good Muslim wouldn't believe that child porn should be legal to own.

No. But then you have the BAD muslims. They don't seem to have a problem with hitting the fleshpots in America when out from under.

In any case, if you sift through the Nazi mindset, you find an amazing array of sexual oddities, kinks, hijinks and outright bizarreness. Start with the recently declassified OSS psychoanalysis of Hitler.

[Maelstrom]

Re: Stealth and "Jenin Massacres"

It's very confusing, we have a strong network of information here on FreeRepublic and we have both the Israelis as well as the Arabs in Jenin claiming that the Arabs in Jenin have used women and children as an integral part of fighting and demoralizing the IDF as they sought to arrest known terrorists.

Furthermore, we know that at least some of the Arabs in Jenin refused to allow truly innocent Arabs to leave after residents had been told that a dragnet was being placed over the area to capture those known terrorists.

Now...exactly where is the rationale that places this in some sort of moral equivalency with purposeful disguising killers in the colors of Israeli troops and murdering innocents house to house?

[Maelstrom]

Assuming that it's true.

We already know that children at this age are being trained and used as homicide bombers.
We already know that children at this age are being trained and used as human shields.
We already know that children at this age are being trained and used as a future generation of terrorists.

It's difficult to say that the IDF forces weren't merely defending Israel given these known facts.

[rdb3]

If you say so, dog. If you say so.

[Demidog]

Have you ever wondered why you're usually in conflict with the majority?

So was Thomas Jefferson. The Majority of Americans at the time were not for independence. The fact that the majority holds any particular view is irrelevant to the underlying principles or moral correctness of any given proposal.

A majority elected Hitler. I'm surprised you think your argument has any merit.