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To: Woodkirk
"Questions: 1] Do Calvinists believe that salvation occurs for the elect before hearing the word of God? 2] Is it true that Calvin claimed that the best way to know if you are one of the elect is to be baptized as an infant?"

[1] Yes. You surely don't believe that one is able to understand spiritual things without the Holy spirit, do you?

[2] No. Where in the hell did you get that???????

74 posted on 04/18/2002 9:06:12 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
Dave Hunt talking about his new book on Calvinism --

Where in the Bible is anyone saved prior to hearing the word of God? Was Abraham saved before he heard God's Word? And didn't Paul hear from God prior to salvation? Doesn't the faith to believe come by hearing the Word of God?

I do not understand how Calvinists get around this? Abraham believed God's word and it was accounted to him for righteousness? While God's word has to precede belief, didn't belief precede his righteousness?

80 posted on 04/18/2002 9:55:25 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: Matchett-PI
No. Where in the hell did you get that???????

You are soooooooooo subtle :>)))))

90 posted on 04/18/2002 10:56:03 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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