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To: P-Marlowe
Both "systems" are man made creations which attempt to put God in a box. Both belief systems are wholly unnecessary to anyone's salvation as it matters not one whit "why" we come to Jesus, what matters is "whether" we come to Jesus. Too much emphasis is put on the "how." It is amazing, but one side will challenge the salvation of another simply on the basis that they don't subscribe to the other's "God in a box" theory on "how" they became a believer: "I surrendered to Jesus" "No you didn't because 'surrender' is a work and that means your salvation is of works and not of Grace"

I guess I did not word my question correctly ( and as rush says words mean things:>)

What I meant was ,what difference would the doctrine make in our lives if eithor of us were wrong? On a practical ,real life situation> How would it affect your life IF the Calvinists were correct? How would things "be different" for either of us in the way we live our lives and faith out if the other was correct?

67 posted on 04/18/2002 8:14:49 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
How would it affect your life IF the Calvinists were correct? How would things "be different" for either of us in the way we live our lives and faith out if the other was correct?

You needed to read the whole post. I answered this question as follows:
Both "systems" are man made creations which attempt to put God in a box. Both belief systems are wholly unnecessary to anyone's salvation as it matters not one whit "why" we come to Jesus, what matters is "whether" we come to Jesus.

No matter which belief system is true (I happen to believe that neither of them contain any fullness of "truth") it matters not a whit to our salvation. As I said above, too much emphasis is placed on "how" we become saved and not enough emphasis is placed on "whether" we become saved. That is what the entire message of Chuck Smith is all about. And yet it seems you think that because he refuses to take a side on which system holds the keys to the "how" that somehow he is preaching a compromised Gospel. Hogwash! The gospel message is not dependent upon whether we are Arminian or Calvinist or somewhere in between. The Good News is that Christ died for YOU! And if you have ears to hear that simple message, then you have the responsibility and the ability to respond. That is the Gospel. It is not watered down because someone happens to believe in "free will." It is not emphasised merely because someone believes that you don't have a "free will." It is the plain and simple gospel. Don't complicate it by attaching it to some theological system. The system is merely a shadow. If that.

102 posted on 04/18/2002 12:35:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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