[Matchett-PI]

I had written: "It's not what you know --- it's what you reject that tells the tale."

In #44 you replied: "One cannot reject something that is not honestly offered. If God has created you with an inability to accept an offer, then you have no ability to either accept it or reject it."

But it was honestly offered and we all rejected it.

We had the ability, but rejected the Truth of God and exchanged it for THE LIE.

Did you miss what I said in the Genesis Chapter 3 thread to White Mountain when he wrote:

"We live in a fallen world. We have both good and evil choices presented to us."

I told him it is:

Too late. We were present in the garden and participated in the fall. We already made our evil choice before we were ever formed _in the flesh_ in the temporal world.

You wrote: "You are wrong to say that I am resentful over what God is doing..."

That's great! Then you'll be thankful that God will not leave some of us in the fallen state we chose, but will drag some of us to Christ in spite of ourselves.

[xzins]

The Bible teaches that God created all of us with the ability to make a full, free, knowing, decisive choice following a God-given enlightenment. The Bible teaches that all who are confronted with the choice of "Jesus or not Jesus" are then judged based on whether or not they reject him. Those who accept him pass immediately from life to death. Those who reject him are condemned because light has come into the world and they loved darkness rather than light.

The bible teaches that those who never hear of Jesus are in a different judicial dispensation in the plan of God.

[Woodkirk]

Questions: 1] Do Calvinists believe that salvation occurs for the elect before hearing the word of God? 2] Is it true that Calvin claimed that the best way to know if you are one of the elect is to be baptized as an infant?

[RnMomof7]

That's great! Then you'll be thankful that God will not leave some of us in the fallen state we chose, but will drag some of us to Christ in spite of ourselves.

The problem seems to be in not understanding that sin is not what we do but what we are...Everthing done outside of Christ is sin (yea even "good " things)