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1 posted on 04/15/2002 12:34:21 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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To: winstonchurchill
No-one is ever completely unbiased. Everyone approaches the Bible with presuppositions and pre-understandings or preconceived ideas about what the text means. However, this is not necessarily a problem, provided you are conscious of them and aware of how they may influence the way you read and interpret the text. Indeed, many interpreters come unstuck at this point because their presuppositions and pre-understandings often rule out a priori various interpretive options.

Any comments?

2 posted on 04/15/2002 12:38:22 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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To: lockeliberty; WinstonChurchill; fortheDeclaration; ShadowAce; RnMomof7; Jerry_M
Prophecy. Prophecy is God’s message to a particular person, a particular group of people and sometimes to all humanity. It is not necessarily foretelling the future – in fact the vast majority of prophecy in the Bible speaks of the present. Prophecy is found primarily in the Old Testament, from Isaiah to Malachi.

Parables. Parables are stories with a punch-line. Parables are not so much illustrative, but rather, provocative. They are designed to draw people in and hit them with something unexpected, in the same way a joke does. Most parables have only one message or central idea, and even if multiple messages are present, one of them will be the chief idea. Note also that they are not perfect analogies! Parables are also found in parts of the Gospels.

Apocalypse. This includes the book of Revelation, and also large parts of Ezekiel and Daniel. Revelation is a vision of warning and encouragement to the early church as it was going through immense persecution.

I believe the above 3 give some idea of this man's biases entering this so-called "neutral" review of biblical interpretation. His comments on prophecy, parables, and apocalypse are hotly debated and he states them as if they are fact. From these comments he's made, it's obvious to me that I'm dealing with someone who has a moderately liberal interpretive bias.

Prophecy - he says the "vast majority of Bible prophecy speaks to the present." He means the prophetic literature speaks to the "present day of the writer." In other words, he's saying it applies to a time millenia AGO. He says this is true of the "vast majority" of the prophetic writings. The debate is that that is simply not the case. Others believe the vast majority of the preserved writings dealt with a time other than that of the author. A huge portion of the prophetic literature dealt with the coming of the Messiah which occurred hundreds of years AFTER the time of the prophet author. A huge portion of it deals with a time that CANNOT be easily cubby-holed into the time of the author prophet....in fact one can make a case for curiosity of the original readers about the intended time being a primary reason why they preserved the prophetic literature in the first place.

Parables - Most parables have only one message or central idea, and even if multiple messages are present, one of them will be the chief idea. This is such a common, monotonous refrain of the moderately liberal interpretive advocates that I cannot believe they don't mention that others simply don't see it that way. Only one meaning is a gross assumption that ALSO means by these folks that one can make only ONE allegorical cross-application. The story of the treasure hidden has only one application -- the treasure equals the kingdom of heaven. One cannot speculate on who the man represents.

But look at the parable of the sower who went out to sow. Jesus says that virtually everything in that parable has an allegorical application. The seed equals the word of God. The seed that fell on the good soil equals and abundant harvest. Jesus uses this parable as an example of how we will interpret any parable. 13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.

Apocalypse (especially Revelation) -- Revelation is a vision of warning and encouragement to the early church

This is such a gross misrepresentation of the current debate over Revelation that it's almost laughable. The moderate liberal will always try to relegate the Revelation to that early Church era. They don't want to see a future application aspect to it. This man has just told you that proper interpretation of Revelation REQUIRES YOU to strip it of any notions YOU might have about its being a futuristic book. Despite what you might read in that sounds futuristic, looks futuristic, compares with other passages as futuristic, this man tells you that you are mistaken.

We call that assuming the result before the debate.

Show of hands: How many of you think Revelation is a book with many futuristic elements in it? Good....I thought so. Many of you.

How many of you think Revelation is a book that MIGHT contain many futuristic elements in it? Just as I though....most of the rest of you.

This guy just told you all that you're dead wrong.

Unbiased biblical interpretative method........bah, humbug! book.

5 posted on 04/15/2002 5:56:00 AM PDT by xzins
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To: lockeliberty
Would we not have to know the original languages the Bible to truly understand the meaning of the words? For instance, when Yeshua asked Peter if he loved Him three times, Peter answered Him as a friend and it is my understanding there are three words for love in the Greek language. Just asking.
11 posted on 04/15/2002 8:46:25 AM PDT by poet
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