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To: winstonchurchill
A conditional conjunctive requires both prongs of the conjunctive to be true. So, there is no secret to the mind of the unblinded. "IF" you hear and "IF" you open. What is so difficult about that?

The If is there because all everywhere will not hear. If anyone hear... now you can change the topic if you like..but that IF is still there..put there by the Holy Spirit

1,396 posted on 04/29/2002 2:35:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
The If is there because all everywhere will not hear.

Then why did the Savior tell all men to "Listen!" just nine words before? More misdirection? Does it ever give you pause to note how many times the Calvinist construct must accuse the Lord and His Apostles of misdirection as to the universality of a true offer of salvation in order to make the construct "fit"?

As I explained in #1291 above,

"Implicitly you argue that the presence of the conditional on the "hear" prong implies that God intentionally deafened some. But that is hard to sustain in context (that terrible awful word to Calvinists again) when the Savior tells all to "Listen!"

This is entirely consistent with His teaching of the parable of the ten virgins (Matt 25:1-13) that prudent waiting ('listening') is a willful precondition to 'hearing'. Thus, Jesus' use of "if" on the 'hear' prong reflects that some will fail to 'listen' and thus, perhaps, not 'hear.'

Perhaps they were told by some not-so-helpful Calvinist that Christ was not for all and there was no reason for them to continue to 'listen' because they would not 'hear' in any event. What a fearfully erroneous doctrine of man. Cf. Matt 18:1-14."


1,465 posted on 04/29/2002 4:48:14 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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