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To: CCWoody; Jerry_M
the elect will be gathered whether or not I am a spiritual twit or not.

This ruins all else that you say for me. The list is pre-selected, predetermined, and nothing will change it. What you just said is that NOTHING will change it.

1,332 posted on 04/29/2002 11:38:59 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; CCWoody
"The list is pre-selected, predetermined, and nothing will change it."

The really important questions for you are these: Exactly why do you believe that God does not have the right to choose those whom He will save? What is your reason for believing that God cannot accomplish what He proposes?

(I believe that if you truly think about these you will see some of the glaring errors of your position.)

1,336 posted on 04/29/2002 11:45:33 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: xzins; CCWoody
Other questions to think about:

Why do you recoil in horror when Woody says the elect will be gathered whether or not I am a spiritual twit or not??

Do you honestly think that you are big enough to frustrate God's will? Do you really think that He cannot save His elect if you misbahave? What makes you think that He cannot raise up stones to worship Himself?

1,338 posted on 04/29/2002 11:50:18 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: xzins; Jerry_M
This ruins all else that you say for me. The list is pre-selected, predetermined, and nothing will change it. What you just said is that NOTHING will change it.

Do you think that the decrees of God are not immutable? Do you think that when God has foreknowledge of someone that this foreknowledge is subject to change? Did God in the middle of history decide Plan A was totally frustrated by the will of man and go for Plan B? Do you think that you are so powerful that if you act like a spiritual twit that somehow God must move on to Plan C? Is the blood ink of the Lamb eraseable?

Gosh, xzins, it is fun to be a Calvinist. I can rest in the knowledge that my strength and my heart are not obstacles for God to overcome, but autographs of His workmanship for His glory. For the battle belongs to the Lord; the victory is mine to enjoy. I can't screw up anybodys ultimate salvation for ALL things work together for good to those who... are THE CALLED.

Chill! You are my favorite Arminian.

1,363 posted on 04/29/2002 12:44:37 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: xzins
This ruins all else that you say for me. The list is pre-selected, predetermined, and nothing will change it. What you just said is that NOTHING will change it.

Sorry you are not god..but if ya join the Mormons you can have a shot at it:>))

1,411 posted on 04/29/2002 3:25:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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