PREDESTINATION

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[Revelation 911]

does your denom let them (women) speak in Church - or wait until they get home to ask thier big smart husbands? ~

I suspect mr poo would meet mr fan pretty quick in todays society

I will also add another, where does your denom stand in regards to speaking in tongues?

- I think we all know where your church stands, which begs like a poodle, how do you reconcile that with 1Cor14:34-40

34As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.[9] 39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

[xzins]

Right to the target, Zshhh. (as usual)

Like he says, John Calvin, what does the verse ACTUALLY say?

[CCWoody]

Nice try, guys. You are the ones filling these threads week after week with your fruitless "doctrines" and shouting at the top of your lungs about them and damning everyone who can't find hide nor hair of them in the Bible.

Oh, so its the Calvinists fault that wc does not witness to the lost. Classic "projectionism."

Of course, I'm not really suprised. You don't even know what the gospel is. Less than 5 words wc.... At least you haven't told me the gospel changes like ftd.

[CCWoody]

We see countless instances where Paul, just for one example, writes to churches with individual advice. Nothing in the address of the message to a church restricts the nature of the information being conveyed thereto. So much for your so-called "context".

Have it your way. Of course, doesn't it even bother you that you after 6 times being asked you cannot produce the meaning of the gospel? You are free to maintain that Jesus stands at the door of a perverse heart and beggs to be let in, but the mountain of scripture is against you. I must conclude that you really do believe that people are basically good and just need to start acting right. It does kinda move you from the extremes of Arminianism into darker heresies invented by man.

It is becoming more aparent that the Arminians really do not have a gospel message at all....

[Jerry_M]

"Its in the scriptures."

Let's be clear here. I will only admit that Its in the scriptures if it is found in the Bible. Other imposters need not apply.

[RnMomof7]

Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Those are the words of God..the people that HE will not tolerate that kind of worship. He rails at the total depravity of man ( God is NOT the author of sin , man has the ability to do what he wills.The evil that proceeds from the heart of the unregenerate man...it is all his own..and thus makes him worthy of damnation ..I do believe we have said this over and over)It is not what He considers worship. He decrees what is worship..Worship does not, can not proceed from the heart or mind of an unregenerate man. He rails that even He ...the creator of the world..the Sovereign God Could not think of such a thing..even He ,that could as He pleases.. could not consider that ...

This is God clearly stating His sovereignity...now crawling on His belly as you would have Him

Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them. "Remember all that happened long ago, for I am God, and there is none other;

I am God, and there is no one like me. From the beginning I reveal the end, from ancient times what is yet to be; I say, 'My purpose stands, I shall accomplish all that I please.'" (Isaiah 46:9–10, REB)

The problem for both of you is that if you see this as the totality of the mind and power of a god you have a castrated.a god that sits powerless in the heavens. You really do have a god that is lucky to have you..what would he ever do with out you both ???

[RnMomof7]

so plainly, I did not say you were "humping my leg", nor did I say you were frothing at the mouth in doing so. Therefore, you have lied & you have misquoted me and owe me an apology.

I believe Ward "the Hobbit" :>) said it to him.I remember the post and thought it strange a Christian would use that imagery.

[RnMomof7]

I will try to find it, but I remember hearing the story of the Red sea crossing and the people on the other side were rejoicing and the Lord chastised them for the Egyptian were his children too. So instead of giving a full El El they give a half El. Its in the scriptures.

You did not read that is the only place that counts Rest..it is not in the bible.

[CubicleGuy]

Calvin was not a prophet. He didn't write the Bible. He was an intelligent, compassionate man who wrote insightfully about God's words. Every word he wrote was based on Scripture.

You won't call him a prophet. But you treat him like one. In your eyes, he's done a better job of interpreting the scriptures than anyone else. He's added new terminology to the doctrines of the Bible that you accept, and it appears to me that you guys make more of being Calvinists than you do of being Christians.

He's your prophet, all right.

[restornu]

I heard it on a radio program from a Rabbi and I don't know what reason he would have for saying this if it wasn't true.

And take your puff-up self and tell him your reply, Other imposters need not apply to the Rabbi’s.

I believe what he said was true!

I worship the God of Love, even though some of his decision is difficult.

[Jerry_M]

"The first lesson in bible interpretation is to paraphrase what the verse itself says."

Sounds like a sure recipe for disaster. ("Let me see what I think it means.")

No, the first lesson in Biblical interpretation is to understand the verse within context, both immediate and general.

As a result, unless you are a proponent of "Open Theology", you cannot assume that "didn't enter my mind" means that God was ignorant of what was going to happen. Those of us who see God's perfect omniscience throughout the Bible are not going to proof-text this verse to mean that God doesn't know what is going to happen. Instead, we are going to see that "didn't enter my mind" is related to God's intentions for His people. It was not His desire that they rebel against Him in this manner, yet we know from the balance of Scripture that this did not take Him by surprise, nor frustrate His plans and purposes.

Where do you want to come down with regards to this verse? Do you believe that there are things that happen that God does not know are going to happen beforehand?

[CCWoody]

Steve, nothing there except knowledge and plan. No relationship with a non-existent person. (Son, before you were born I had great plans for you; I started this college fund for you; same seminary/law school/medical school that I attended.)

Have you figured out that you keep reducing the Foreknowledge of God to the foreknowledge of man. This is a part of the curse and your fleshy self. God does not merely know about me like a father knows about his children; He knew me altogether.

• Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man...

We all do it. I'm just wondering if you realize you are doing it with your definition of foreknowledge.

[Jerry_M]

There is a big difference between It's in the scriptures, and I heard it on the radio from a Rabbi. I would think that you would want to be more careful in your pronouncements.

[CubicleGuy]

Drop all the "can'ts" and "won'ts" (see the link above) and focus on the Solution!

The only problem is, Calvin has no solution. Calvin doesn't even see this as a problem, it's "just the way it is", no apologies.

[Revelation 911]

I believe Ward "the Hobbit" :>) said it to him.I remember the post and thought it strange a Christian would use that imagery.

I think you are mistaken mom - ward the "hobbit" had nothing to do with this - it was me, "Baard the guardsman" who made the comment of strange imagery - read the post "my prescious"

Ive yet to see any real Christ like attitudes in trying to sway me as a "lost" brother - Instead the leg of Calvinism is humped like a frothing pinscher. C'mon - sway me with brotherly love - point being you can't - and for that I'll pray.

That dragon you posted the other day reminded me of "Smoug"

[RnMomof7]

You won't call him a prophet. But you treat him like one. In your eyes, he's done a better job of interpreting the scriptures than anyone else. He's added new terminology to the doctrines of the Bible that you accept, and it appears to me that you guys make more of being Calvinists than you do of being Christians.
He's your prophet, all right.

Ahhhh but will he ever be a god like Joe Smith.Will he ever have his own personal planet where he can take his harem for his daily sexual pleasure all the while being worshiped by the people (his soul childern) of his planet...

Naw the Calvinists would never buy that:>)

BTW do you guys think Jesus is a god yet?

You know it just dawned on me there are some similarities between Islam and LDS...both are very sexually oriented in the after life..that is kind of interesting

[CubicleGuy]

Ahhhh but will [Calvin] ever be a god like Joe Smith.

It's possible. But I'll leave that up to the Lord.

It doesn't matter what I think of Calvin. What matters is what you think of him. You treat him like a prophet, but you refuse to call him one. The inconsistency is glaring.

[CCWoody]

Vines, 3) believers, Rom 8:29; "the foreknowledge" of God is the basis of His foreordaining counsels

This truly is GAME, SET, MATCH.

Huh!

Foreknowledge and Predestination

ROMANS 8: 28 - 30
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This is the Truth of Scripture, evidenced clearly enough for all to see in what has been called "The Golden Chain of Predestination" in Romans 8: 28 - 30:

God's Foreknowledge of the Eternal Destiny of Men is NOT BASED on His Predestination.
God's Predestination of the Eternal Destiny of Men is BASED UPON His Foreknowledge.

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son."

No one can deny that those whom God has Predestined as to their Everlasting Destiny, He first Foreknew as to their Salvation. The exact number, and the every name, of every individual of whom God has Predestined to be called, and justified, and sanctified, and glorified, these very same ones He first Foreknew that He would Save.

The question is not whether God's Predestination of the Saints as to their ultimate Glorification is, or is not, based upon His Foreknowledge as to their Salvation. God has Predestinated based upon His Foreknowledge, that is certain enough.

The Question is this, and this specifically: ON WHAT BASIS has God Foreknown those whom He would Predestine??

• The Answer given by some, is that God has Foreknown the Salvation of His Elect based upon His Foreknowledge of their actions towards Him.
• The Answer given by others, is that God has Foreknown the Salvation of His Elect based upon His Foreknowledge of His Own actions towards them.

I'll let you digest this before we move on. Of course, the answer given by Arminians cannot possibly be true....

[restornu]

The Jewish folks have thier records too! Its not only the Bible they have the Torah.

The whole world dose not revolved around the Calvinist construct scriptures!

[xzins]

No, the first lesson in Biblical interpretation is to understand the verse within context, both immediate and general.

totally illogical, Jerry.

You can't put into context something you don't know the content of. You would have no idea what the contexts were....unless you want to just use the old rote, verse before and verse after. But even then, if you don't know what the words say, you might as well MAKE UP anything you want.

The verse in question and the words in the verse are the first order of interpretation. Thought those SBC schools were teaching better than that!