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read Eph 2:8 to find what scripture says, and read the Roman catechism to find out what your church says. they both can't be right, so which one is wrong?

One of these days a Protestant is going to include Ephesians 2:10 with this oft quoted verse which completes the message.

Ver. 10. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them."

Allow me to quote St. John Chrysostom

"Not merely that we should begin, but that we should walk in them, for we need a virtue which shall last throughout, and be extended on to our dying day. If we had to travel a road leading to a royal city, and then when we had passed over the greater part of it, were to flag and sit down near the very close, it were of no use to us. This is the hope of our calling; for "for good works" he says. Otherwise it would profit us nothing. "

I know you mean well however, you should not criticize things you don't understand.

i usually quote the entire section (verses 8-10), and verse 10 is a very key component to the section. it is important because it shows that just because salvation is by faith alone doesnt mean that we can sin at will. if we do have the faith, we will do good works, but those good works are not going to help us get to heaven, they are only present because they are God working in us.

Allow me to quote St. John Chrysostom

Thank you for the quote, and for the icon earlier, of this wonderful man. As an Orthodox Christian, every Sunday I participate in the celebration of the Liturgy he created.

General question - What is the purpose of the "Catholic Caucus"? Is it for general discussion of Catholic spirituality, or is it more targeted to discussing how to address Catholic current events? In either case, is Orthodox participation welcome, or should I stick to the more "ecumenical" threads? Thanks, and Christ Bless!