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A Few Blunt Words to Catholics (Long)
The Roman Catholic Faithful ^ | 04-04-02 | Kennesaw

Posted on 04/04/2002 7:10:05 AM PST by Kennesaw

A FEW BLUNT WORDS TO CATHOLICS

A very, very long time ago a pagan Greek philosopher suggested that 90% of you would not like what I'm about to say, but I do ask you to read it all and I pray that you will consider it honestly. First you must realize that we are living in the most evil of all the ages. Read your newspaper. I will take only one example - abortion. We have killed more children than any people in history, and no one else is even in the ballpark! Hitler, Stalin and the other monsters of history must peek through the flames of Hell and gaze in awe and professional admiration at the level of our barbarity. We have found a way to kill children and vote for those who protect the abortionist and we still go to Church on Sunday. We can read from the Bible about the terrible things God said about those who would harm His "little ones" and never connect those words to our own final judgment. I remember being horrified when I read in school about the Aztec Indians throwing children alive into the fire as a sacrifice to their god. How barbaric! But count the numbers. What is the output of the abortion clinics in this country each day? Who are the barbarians? Who are the monsters? At least the Aztecs will have the excuse that they thought they were serving God. What excuse will we have?

As followers of Christ and members of His Church we must stand in opposition to evil! There is a very real conflict, a "spiritual warfare" that the followers of Jesus are called to take up. This is revealed with crystalline clarity in all forms of revelation. God calls His followers to reject the ways of this world and follow him. This warfare is not for the weak or the faint of heart, and many are simply not capable. St. Thomas Aquinas said, "Grace builds on Nature." That is why the Israelites spent 40 years in the desert. A generation of slaves with a slave's mentality had to die off and a new people, strong and toughened by the harsh life of the desert had to rise up. Most Catholics today seem to be like those slaves. They are simply not capable of dealing with the truth. And the truth is that the evil that is everywhere in this world is also deep within the Church. Pope Leo the XIII noticed it and composed the "Prayer to St. Michael". Pope Paul VI proclaimed that the "Smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary"! Throughout the history of the Church it has always been those who are within that have caused the most damage. Remember that Judas was a bishop and nearly all the heresies that have ravaged the Church throughout history have come from priests and bishops. In an earlier age we were better equipped to deal with this evil and protect the truth. No less a Saint than St. John Chrysostom said, "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!"

This evil has festered and grown because it has been promoted and protected by a false spirituality with its roots in the "spirit of Vatican II". An astounding and diabolical pride has allowed us to turn away from the spiritual values that have made saints for 2000 years to embrace a false theology promoted by a false church and presenting a false god. This new god simply blesses whatever our desires, passions, and appetites crave. This god wants us to be happy and such things as sacrifice; penance and self-discipline are non-values. This is the god of the "group hug", "we are the church", and if you complain - "Don't be judgmental" This "god" is a god of love, but not the burning self-sacrificing love we see on the cross, but a phony and sick imitation, a daytime TV talk show morality, which is preached from too many pulpits and is fooling "even the elect"! It's a god for slaves and enslavement. It has found a home deep in the heart of the Church and the Church seems incapable of dealing with it!

If we wish to survive these days with our faith intact we should learn the lessons of history. We live in a time when the laity must rise up to save the true Church. This is very difficult because we are coming out of an age when the laity looked to the hierarchy for guidance. But as it was in the time of King Henry the VIII, you may follow your pastor or even your bishop and as a result find yourself outside the true Church. This is not an age that will suffer weak faith. Soon there will only be two kinds of Catholics - strong Catholics and ex-Catholics.

Leave "political correctness" to the false church. It's time for a little plain speech. Its time for a little truth! There are many homosexuals in the priesthood and in the hierarchy. Many of these are not living celibate lives, and they prey on others. They do not preach the truth of Jesus Christ because they could not do so without condemning themselves. They are in positions of authority in Chancery Offices and seek to add to their numbers by controlling vocations. They organize into "support groups" many of which are not oriented toward celibacy, but exist to provide "contacts" for sexual relationships. Priests are dying of AIDS at an alarming rate and some have even blamed the Church for not teaching them about "safe" sex in the seminary! (How safe can "safe" sex be, when Hell is the result!)? The Church has not shown any desire or ability to deal with this. Recently the Vatican told a priest and a nun to stop giving workshops across the country promoting the homosexual lifestyle. That's nice. But they have been giving these workshops for 20 long years!! How many souls have been lost and lives destroyed while the hierarchy did nothing! Maybe your newspaper today will carry the story about another multi-million dollar lawsuit involving a pedophile priest. The judgments are so high because juries are learning that bishops knew who the pedophiles were and allowed them to continue to destroy children. Bishops protected the pervert and provided innocent victims for him to prey upon. Bishops even hide perverts by trading them from diocese to diocese like baseball players! (You take mine, and I'll take yours.) Parents and good priests approach Church authorities with accusations and are ignored or referred to an inept committee. The goal of those in authority is simply damage control and covering it up. Recently I met with a very well known priest who was sent to represent the hierarchy in a terrible case of sexual abuse. His primary concern seemed to be to avoid publicity. I told him we would consider his request if he would answer two simple questions. First - Would he give me just one example of the Church intervening on its own to stop that particular form of abuse? - He didn't answer. Second - If we backed away and did not make this public and as a result of our choice another innocent person was attacked, would God hold us responsible for that terrible sin? He didn't answer that question either. It seems that the operative spirituality of the Church has become so weak that it is no longer capable of dealing with evil. It is a fact that authorities in the Church have allowed innocent lives to be destroyed and then have covered up the crime and protected the criminal! This has been done with the thinly veiled excuse that "we must protect holy mother church from scandal"! The tragic truth is this publicity and large lawsuits have done much more to protect the innocent than the Vatican, the National Council of Catholic Bishops or the Apostolic Delegate combined! And (with apologies to Vince Lombardi) the protection of the innocent is not the most important thing; it's the only thing! If it is necessary to protect one innocent child then I pray that every diocese in the country will be sued for every nickel it has and every sordid detail be put on the front page of every newspaper! The Church that I love and that Jesus promised would last until the end of the world is a Church that doesn't want to appear holy, it must be holy!

Allow me to return to that Greek philosopher and the 90%. Heraclitus was a philosopher and a warrior. During a lull in the battle he wrote a letter to the leaders of Athens regarding the soldiers he was receiving as replacements. He said that for every 100 men they sent 90 were useless. They were little more than battlefield clutter. Out of the 100, about 10 were fighters and the outcome of the battle rested on their shoulders. And maybe one, only one, was a true warrior. The spiritual warfare is no less warfare, and I believe the percentages apply. The vast majority doesn't want to know the truth. They just want things to be "nice" and the truth and the demands it would place on them as followers of Christ are unacceptable. I appreciate those who pray but if that's all you do, remember it says in the epistle of St. James that "Faith without works is dead and has no power to save you!" I would ask those 90% to consider joining the warrior class. You are needed! If you cannot - Then at least stay out of the way. The battle is tough enough without clutter. If you cannot fight this Goliath, at least stand back and make room for those who are going forward to sling their stones. The false charity and empty spirituality of those who mouth pious platitudes over the broken bodies and souls of the innocent is an affront to the martyrs and missionaries who gave their lives to share the true faith. I have seen, up close and personal, the heart-rending results of allowing predators to destroy children, families, and faith. A "drawing room" spirituality does not have the power to fight the malignant evil of this age. Delicate sensibilities must be sacrificed and hands dirtied in favor of a cross-centered faith! We are not fighting for principles or philosophies. We are fighting for SOULS and we must not lose!

Fr. "G"

(one of the priests guiding RCF)


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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
And you are missing my point, I am not defending Communism as anything great, it was an abysmal blot of the face of humanity... Just as abortion is. I am not saying the US is as bad as communism either.... Just saying we carry our own sin, and its death toll is running just as high... albeit "individuals volutarily comitting murder" as opposed to state murder... the results are the same..
21 posted on 04/04/2002 8:53:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Kennesaw
"Faith without works is dead and has no power to save you!"

I agree with this whole heartedly. Good Post.

22 posted on 04/04/2002 11:06:35 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Kennesaw
Although I commend this article about the evils of abortion, im afraid this is the path God has set out for Earth. Prepare to be condemned for accepting Christ as your savior real soon.
23 posted on 04/04/2002 11:14:18 AM PST by smith288
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To: HamiltonJay
Of course the camps are long closed, the infant slaughter houses still operate full tilt.

It is disgusting to see you denigrate the suffering caused by and severity in those concentration camps by comparing mere abortion to them. Before you get righteous on me, ask yourself whether you'd be willing to get in line and adopt an unwanted baby. If you aren't then shut up, you have no moral authority of any kind on this issue. Unless you want to breed social conditions for massive increases in welfare spending I suggest you rethink **the logistics** of opposing abortion-on-demand of any kind being legal.

You "pro-life" (anti-choice is far more appropraite) need to face up to the following issues raised by your beliefs should they be made public policy:

  1. 1.5-1.88M more babies a year that are unwanted cannot be housed by our adoption systems
  2. Even if the rate dropped down to only a few hundred thousand it would strain the system severely if not break it entirely
  3. Most people will not adopt babies they think are "defective." Are you willing to adopt a crack baby? And that raises the moral question: should such babies even be legally allowed to be born since their lives will be hell?
  4. You will give ammunition to those that favor increased welfare spending
  5. You will give ammunition to those that want to create or vastly expand government supported adoption centers
  6. Many parents are not as progressive and caring as you think on sex issues. What are you going to do when many girls nationwide get beaten, disowned and/or thrown out of their homes for getting pregnant? Probably nothing, many of you are the same types that would say that she somehow brought that on herself.

24 posted on 04/04/2002 12:02:27 PM PST by dheretic
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To: dheretic
Before you get righteous on me, ask yourself whether you'd be willing to get in line and adopt an unwanted baby

Hey Jacka$$, I am in line to adopt, jumping through all the little state hoops as we speak. Your attempt to defend the indefensible is astounding.

25 posted on 04/04/2002 12:45:44 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: jrherreid
My friend - I am glad YOU had a different background. I attended church, in Irish communities in Chicago, Portuguese schools in Thailand and Jesuit schools in Japan. Not ONE Priest ever told me to read the Bible for penance (and no one I know ever got that either) - or for any other reason.

Good for you. I simply joined a Christian church whose focus was what Jesus intended - read and hold close His Word - not what other men tell you is His Word

26 posted on 04/04/2002 7:01:00 PM PST by txzman
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To: mercy
You always give us food for thought.

The Catholic Catechism teaches that the signs of the true church are four:

It is one.

It is holy.

It is catholic (universal).

It is apostolic.

I am sorry to say that the Catholic Church in America, as a result of widespread institutional practices of homosexuality and pedophilia among its clergy, is no longer HOLY.

27 posted on 04/04/2002 7:08:45 PM PST by Palladin
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To: HamiltonJay
And you are missing my point, I am not defending Communism as anything great, it was an abysmal blot of the face of humanity... Just as abortion is. I am not saying the US is as bad as communism either.... Just saying we carry our own sin, and its death toll is running just as high... albeit "individuals volutarily comitting murder" as opposed to state murder... the results are the same..

I didn't suppose that you were defending communism.  But one of the main points of the article (pointed out in the first paragraph) is that we have killed more people than any other in history.  This is patent nonsense - even using your high-end figures (btw, between 1973 and 1998 between 35,000,000 and 38,000,000 abortions were done.  It has been estimated that 1.5 million abortions have been done every year in the nearly 30 years since Roe vs. Wade.  Not a nice statistic, certainly, but that only adds up to 45,000,000 in 30 years, vs 120,000,000 for commies over a period of time less than that).  Now it's true that the total world abortion rate is far higher, but since the article was focusing on U.S. cupability, I felt the need to show that communist killings alone are over twice as bad as we are.  Even though the Nazis killed less, their killing rate was around 5 million a year, over 3 times the average abortion rate here in the U.S.  Additionally, if you throw in abortions for both the communists and Nazis, you will find that as bad as the U.S. is, we completely pale in comparison.
28 posted on 04/05/2002 5:11:09 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Ah so, because communism and nazis killed en mass for short periods of time, it means they are inately more evil than abortion which will if things stay they way the are kill far more, but just over a longer period? Murder is murder, state sanctioned or state executed is of little moral difference. Nazi/Communism were state executed, Abortion is state sanctioned. There is no moral superiority of abortion over despotism when it comes to murder.
29 posted on 04/05/2002 6:57:16 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Kennesaw; the_doc;Jerry_M;orthodoxpresbyterian
A "REFORMATION"??? Nooooooooo kidding. LOL. I wonder if he's advocating taking it all the way back to Augustine, the "Calvinist". LOL!!!
30 posted on 04/05/2002 7:53:22 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: HamiltonJay
Again, you are missing my point.  The article stated that we in the U.S., to date have killed far more than communism has.  This is patently false as I have stated before.

Also, as I have stated before, if you compare apples to apples, then you also have to throw in the abortions done by commies.  I don't have the figures, but I believe that the difference between the U.S. and the commies would be order of magnitude.

Merely pointing out the fact of the horrors of the truth of abortion in the U.S. is sufficient.  We don't need to also distort or lie about it as do our opponents.
31 posted on 04/05/2002 8:05:21 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Matchett-PI
How about taking it all the way back to Jesus, and trying some "mere Christianity"?
32 posted on 04/05/2002 8:34:57 AM PST by Palladin
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To: jrherreid
Seems almost every time I go to confession, my penance is to read the Bible. I've been to several Catholic Bible studies, and I'm now helping conduct one.

Contrary to what folks think who, when they were Catholics took no initiative whatsoever, some Catholic DO read the Bible and ARE encouraged to do so. And it's not something recent--one of the best Catholic Bible study guidebooks was written in the 1920's--for laymen.

Any Catholic who attends Mass hears the Bible every time he attends. (I also studied the Bible in Catholic grade schools and high school.)

33 posted on 04/05/2002 9:08:37 AM PST by Diago
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To: HamiltonJay
Hey Jacka$$, I am in line to adopt, jumping through all the little state hoops as we speak. Your attempt to defend the indefensible is astounding.

Best of Luck. And yes that other guy is a Jack$$.

34 posted on 04/05/2002 9:13:26 AM PST by Diago
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To: Kennesaw
Maybe for Father it was a few and for us it is long but it is funny.
35 posted on 04/05/2002 9:16:52 AM PST by fatima
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To: Palladin; Matchett-PI; OrthodoxPresbyterian
How about taking it all the way back to Jesus, and trying some "mere Christianity"?

That will work, too! The Lord's Own theology was obviously what later theologians would nickname "Calvinism." It is actually just Biblical Christianity.

The Lord's theology got nicknamed "Calvinism" only because it was Calvin who, of all the theologians in history, seemed to have most clearly noticed the systematic underpinnings of everything the Lord taught concerning salvation.

But Augustine understood these things pretty well, too! He was, like Calvin, an absolute, double predestinarian. Most RCs don't realize that (because they have been taught that absolute predestination is an awful doctrine invented by Calvin and the other Reformers). But it is easy to demonstrate from Augustine's own writings that Augustine was an absolute, double predestinarian.

(This was Matchett's point. The theology of God's absolute sovereignty, so eloquently argued by Calvin and Luther [both of whom repeatedly cited the Scriptures, and even more embarrassinly for the RCC, Augustine himself] was the pivotal theology of the Reformation. All the controversies in the Reformation ultimately turned on the Biblical doctrine of predestination.)

My bottom-line point is that I agree that the RCC does need another Reformation.

36 posted on 04/05/2002 9:22:08 AM PST by the_doc
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To: Palladin; Matchett-PI; OrthodoxPresbyterian
I forgot to add that I think that today's Protestant movement needs another Reformation, too!

I don't think we will have "Jesus's mere Christianity" unless we start paying attention to His astonishing teachings concerning the absolute sovereignty of God!

37 posted on 04/05/2002 9:30:16 AM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
I read all of the posts...am a Roman Catholic, and here it is in a nutshell folks... Christianity is bigger than the Catholic Church. Sorry if that offends anyone.
38 posted on 04/05/2002 9:32:42 AM PST by Cicero5
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To: Cicero5
I certainly agree with that. I would even go so far as to say that Christianity is much, much bigger than the RCC.

But there is still only One Mediator between God and men.

39 posted on 04/05/2002 9:49:00 AM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
It really does help to remind yourself of that once in while. It is easy to get caught up in the ritual and rules of the church (never miss mass, go to confession if you do, etc)... and really believe that you are living as you should. There is so much more and we often lose sight of it.
40 posted on 04/05/2002 9:54:03 AM PST by Cicero5
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