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To: antidemocommie
Oh and another sign, is THE devil incarnate anti-Christ.In which IMO will emerge from this
62 posted on 03/31/2002 7:48:20 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: antidemocommie
I believe in the Pre-Trib rapture.

My reasons are because the Church will be in Heaven celebrating the Marriage Supper of the Lamb during the 7 year tribulation. At the end of the Tribulation, Christ will come with his bride (the raptured Church), for the battle of Armegeddon and to set up the 1000 year reign of peace on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev 3:10)

Peace Be With You

66 posted on 03/31/2002 8:38:46 AM PST by Licensed-To-Carry
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To: antidemocommie
Greek, like English, uses the word "judge" in two senses. One sense in condemnation, while the other sense is the giving out of rewards. The Bible says unbelievers will be judged in the first sense - condemnation, while believers will be judged in the other sense - rewards.

Judgment Seat

The Bible speaks of a special judgment that God will hold for believers only. It is known as the judgment seat of Christ, or the judgment seat of God. Paul wrote.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what we have done whether good or bad (2 Corinthians 5:10).

All believers will stand before God and be individually judged.

Why do you pass judgment on your brother or sister? Or you, why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God (Romans 14:10).

What will happen at this judgment seat? Who will be judged? The Scriptures have the following to say.

Church Only

The participants in the judgment seat of Christ are members of the New Testament church. These are people who have trusted Christ as Savior from the Day of Pentecost, until the coming of Christ for His church. It does not include the Old Testament believers. They will have a separate time of judgment and reward.

Our Actions Will Be Judged

The Bible says that God will reward the actions of believers.

and that you, O Lord, are loving. Surely You will reward each person according to what He has done (Psalm 62:12).

Jesus said.

For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what He has done (Matthew 16:27).

Paul wrote.

Knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are slaves or free (Ephesians 6:8).
                                   
At The Rapture Of The Church

At some time in the future, the Lord will come back for those who have believed upon Him. He will change their bodies from corruptible to incorruptible.

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with Him those who have died. For this we declare to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died. For the Lord Himself, with a shout, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

After this event, those believers will go to the judgment seat of Christ. Judgment always comes after resurrection.

Not Judged For Sin
   
This is not a judgment to determine who will enter heaven. The sins of believers will not be an issue at the judgment seat of Christ - they have already been forgiven. The Bible says.

He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities. For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us (Psalm 103:10-12).
   
Our sins have been removed. Micah wrote.

He will again have compassion on us, and will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea (Micah 7:19).                                            

Destiny Of Christian Has Been Settled

With the death of Christ on the cross, the destiny of the Christian has been once-and-for-all settled. There is no condemnation for those who have believed in Christ. Paul wrote.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1).

Have Eternal Life

Those who have trusted Christ now possess eternal life.

I tell you the truth, whoever hears My word and believes him who sent Me has eternal life and will not be condemned; He has crossed over from death to life (John 5:24).

Curse Removed

The curse against believers has been removed.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree" (Galatians 3:13).

Price Paid

Jesus has paid the price for our sins.

He himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that, free from sins, we might live for righteousness; by His wounds you have been healed (1 Peter 2:24).

Sin Offering

He presented Himself as a sin offering on our behalf.

For our sake He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The believers judgment, with respect to sin, is long past.

Rewards
    
Therefore, the judgment seat of Christ is not designed to punish believers, but rather to reward them for their faithful service. All of us will give an account of what we have done after trusting Christ as Savior. Therefore, the judgment seat of Christ is a judgment of believers works
after salvation. Paul gave this analogy.

According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it . . . Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,  straw, each one's work will become manifest; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and fire will try each one's work, of what sort it is (1 Corinthians 3:10,12,13).
                                                                                                                                       
The Bema Seat

The judgment seat is known as the "bema." The word is also translated court or tribunal. The platform could be either public (John 19:13) or private (Acts 25:22).

Tribunal For Rewards

The bema is a tribunal for rewards. In the large Olympic arenas, there was an elevated seat on which the judge of the contest sat. After the contests were over, the successful competitors would assemble before the bema to receive their rewards or crowns. The bema was not a judicial bench where someone was condemned; it was a reward seat. Likewise, the Judgment Seat of Christ is not a judicial bench. The Christian life is a race, and the divine umpire is Jesus Christ. After the race is over for each believer, He will gather every member before the bema for the purpose of examining each one and giving the proper reward to each.  
                         

Some Suffer Loss
  
Not everyone will receive the same reward. At the judgment seat of Christ, there will be those who suffer loss.

If anyone's work is burned, they will suffer loss; but they themselves will be saved, yet so as through fire  (1 Corinthians 3:15).

Fire

The judgment will be by fire. Fire is used in Scripture as a symbol of judgment. Sodom and Gomorrah were judged with fire.

Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah - from the LORD out of the heavens  (Genesis 19:24).

The Bible describes the glorified Christ in this manner.

His head and His hair were white as white wool, white as snow; His eyes were like a flame of fire (Revelation 1:14).

Fire often symbolizes the holiness of God.

For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God  (Deuteronomy 4:24).

Without Shame

Believers want to appear without shame before this seat.

And now little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming (1 John 2:28).

Full Reward

Believers will receive a full reward for their deeds of faith.

Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we have worked for, but that we may receive a full reward (2 John 8).

Be Careful Not To Lost Reward

Scripture warns believers about losing their reward.

Behold, I come quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown (Revelation 3:11).

This is loss of reward, not of salvation.

Illustration

We can illustrate the loss of reward in the following manner: Let us say you have recently built a new two story house. While on the second floor, you smell smoke. Looking downstairs you see that the first floor is on fire. You jump out the second story window to save your life. You then watch your new house burn to the ground. Obviously you will have mixed emotions. You're thankful that you were able to jump and save your life, but you sad because your new house is destroyed. This is similar to those believers who are saved but have nothing to show for it. They squandered their opportunities to live for Christ yet they are enjoying the benefits of heaven with Jesus.

Position Of Honor

All who experience the judgment seat of Christ will possess the privileges and honors as children of God. Jesus said He will acknowledge those who have believed in Him before His Father, and before the angels.

Therefore whoever confesses Me before humanity, I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven (Matthew 10:32).

Gifts To Be Received

The Apostle Paul, speaking of God's gifts, said.  

But as it is written: 'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God' (1 Corinthians 2:9,10).
    
Rewards Proportionate

The rewards that the believer receives will be proportionate to the faithfulness they show in this life. The key is faithfulness to the gifts God has given.

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful (1 Corinthians 4:2).

Different Degrees Of Rewards

Jesus spoke of different degrees of rewards in a parable that He gave.

Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities (Luke 19:17).

To another one he said.

His master answered,  'You take charge of five cities'  (Luke 19:19).

Crowns

The rewards believers will receive are called crowns. Paul wrote.

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day - and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for His appearing (2 Timothy 4:7).

Book Of Life

Those who overcome will have their names written in the Book of Life:

You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels (Revelation 3:4,5).

Believers will be clothed in white garments, having their names written in the Book of Life. In addition, they will be acknowledged before the Father and the holy angels.

After Rapture
  
The judging of believers will occur after the rapture of the church, but before the Second Coming of Christ to the earth. In the Book of Revelation we are told.

Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear."  (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.) (Revelation 19:7,8).

We are told that the bride is clothed with righteous deeds. The  church, therefore, has already been at the judgment seat of Christ because they are ready for the groom when He comes. Hence the judgment takes place sometime before the Second Coming of Christ.

Summary
   
The judgment seat of Christ is a time of examination and reward. From Scripture we can conclude the following concerning the judgment seat of Christ, the bema.

1.  The Lord will resurrect the bodies of the saints who have died during the church age, as well as change the bodies of those still alive.

2.  They will meet the Lord in the air and proceed to the judgment seat of Christ.

3.  This judgment will consist of rewards for faithful service. There will be no condemning anyone.   

4.  Rewards will consist of crowns given to believers based upon our faithful service to Him. The rewards will be proportionate to our faithfulness.


98 posted on 03/31/2002 5:10:15 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: antidemocommie
As always and in all times, I just try to keep right with God, family and friends. Doesn't always work, but I keep trying. The rest is either just material world, day-to-day "live for the moment"/"plan for the future" stuff, or outside my ability to effect.

In the words of the Rev. Gary Davis: "Keep your lamps trimmed and burnin' "

Oh, and Happy Easter to All.

99 posted on 03/31/2002 5:14:54 PM PST by lds23
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To: antidemocommie
Is Jesus about to return?

No man knows, and I will not trust those who tell me they do, however I hope so.

100 posted on 03/31/2002 5:18:39 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: antidemocommie; timestax; Tree of Liberty; Centurion2000;Busywhiskers; brat; Proud2BAmerican;
The Great Premillennial HOAX

In 1970, Hal Lindsey came out with his monstrous best-selling book (15 million sold), "The Late Great Planet Earth." Since then, much of Evangelical Christianity has been obsessed with the signs of the times.

From 1971 until 1986, I was an active, visible participant in the Lutheran Charismatic Movement. Since the movement was highly influenced by Pentecostal thinking, in addition to adopting the theology of the Holy Spirit, many Lutheran Charismatics also adopted the eschatology of Pentecostals. I guess you might say, "We got the Holy Spirit, feathers and all." I adopted and also taught the Premillennial view of the end times. In fact, given the circumstances in the world, there was little doubt in my mind that this was the accurate understanding of Biblical prophecy.

May 13, 1981
The evening of May 13, 1981, was the regular meeting of the Ladies' Guild of Bethel Lutheran Church in Howard City, Mich. As pastor of the congregation, I attended the meeting and presented a topic for discussion.

May 13, 1981, was a very special evening for prophecy buffs. It could very well have been the last night that Christians would spend upon this earth. For if everything being said by the modern-day experts in Biblical prophecy was true, May 14 was the day of "the Rapture."

As the pastor, I felt it was my responsibility to share the why and wherefore of this momentous event with these women. Being good, traditional, Lutheran laypeople, they knew very little, if anything, about Biblical prophecy. It was my task to warn them of the event that might transpire within the next 24 hours.

By sharing this story with you, I hope to impart the essence of Premillennial thinking.

The Generation of the Fig Tree
The Biblical scenario I presented to these unsuspecting women, proving that the rapture would take place the next day, began with an interpretation of Matt. 24:32-34. Jesus said:

Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

What generation was Jesus talking about? Many scholars believed that it was the generation of the people that Jesus was addressing and that the events He was predicting were not the end of the world, but rather the destruction of Jerusalem. In fact, within 40 years, Jerusalem would be utterly destroyed.

While that is all well and good, there was another way of looking at these words of Jesus - a way that caused these predictions to become very real in the here and now.

From the notes in my Scofield Bible, I knew there would be a future restoration of Israel in the land. In Ez. 34:13, the prophet predicted that God would gather the Jews from the nations and bring them into their own land. Writing his notes in 1908, Scofield stated that this referred to a future restoration of the nation of Israel, or, as some perceived it, the budding of the fig tree. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was referred to as a fig tree. In Matt. 21:19, Jesus cursed the fig tree because it had no fruit. This was perceived as a rejection of Israel.

Well, on May 14, 1948, the fig tree budded. Israel became a nation as a result of a United Nations declaration. This date was vital to all Biblical prophecy experts. Israel was in the land. The countdown to the end had begun. We were indeed the generation of the fig tree. It was this generation that would see the end of all things. Since a generation was 40 years, the end would be in 1988.

Those who taught this view also taught, from Scripture, that before the end of all things, there would be a tribulation period of seven years according to the prophecies of Daniel. Rev. 7:14 speaks of the Great Tribulation. During those seven years, the anti-Christ would arise. He would be a political figure and, according to Dan. 7:24-25, he would be given authority by ten kings. Since the European Common market was forming and nearly ten nations had already come together, the time of the anti-Christ was soon upon us.

Other signs of the rise of the anti-Christ were obvious. Given the fact that scanning devices were beginning to become evident in grocery stores, could the "mark of the beast" be far behind? We would soon be in the position of having to make a choice when the government brands us with a mark on the right hand or forehead, without which we would not be able to buy or sell, according to Revelation 13.

In addition, Ezekiel 38 and 39 warned about the invasion of Israel by "Gog and Magog." According to the notes in my Scofield Bible, this referred to a time when Israel was in the land and Russia, advancing from the north, would invade them. The politics at that time allowed for this to be a very real possibility. The book of Ezekiel stated that God will destroy the Russian army and the buzzards would eat their flesh. A tract was being circulated that claimed the buzzards were laying twice as many eggs in Israel in order to have enough troops to eat the Russians. (I often wondered how they knew this.)

In 1967, the armies of Israel had captured the old city of Jerusalem, including temple mount. According to Ezekiel 40ff., the millennial temple was to be built. Everything was in order. An interesting rumor circulated that the stones for the temple were already carved out of Bedford, Ind., limestone and were hidden in caves. Other rumors stated that the Ark of the Covenant had been discovered under the temple site and that plans to rebuild were underway.

It was happening!
In 1978, I led my first trip to the land of Israel. There were four groups of Lutheran Charismatics taking the trip. I led one of the groups. The purpose of the trip was to attend a "Prophecy Conference" in Jerusalem, led by Derek Prince. Since so much of my thinking had been influenced by the popular Premillennial prophetic notions of the day, it was an exciting trip. Things were happening in the land. The people were restored. God seemed to be on their side as they went to battle against the enemies who surrounded them.

Prince spoke on the subject of parallel restorations, comparing the events in Israel with the events marking the growth of the Charismatic Movement. In 1948, when Israel became a nation, both the Billy Graham crusades and the Latter Rain Movement (early roots of the Charismatic Movement) started. In 1967, when Israel took the old city of Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit was poured out upon Roman Catholics at Notre Dame. In 1971, the Yom Kippur war broke out in Israel while the Holy Spirit moved mightily on the different denominations. For one participating in these events, these connections were obvious.

What was happening at the Dead Sea was very interesting. Zechariah 14 spoke of the return of the Messiah to the Mount of Olives, causing a great earthquake that would split the mount in two. Living water would flow from temple mount.

This stream of living water coming out of temple mount would flow to the Dead Sea and, according to Ezekiel (47:8ff):

This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Sea. When it empties into the Sea, the water there becomes fresh. Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds - like the fish of the Great Sea. But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt.

Well, parts of this prophecy were already in place. The Dead Sea had been divided due to the lack of water flowing down from the Sea of Galilee. The fresh water from the Galilee was being pumped into the desert so that the "desert was blooming," as Is. 35:1-2 stated.

This lack of water to the Dead Sea divided the sea. As Ezekiel predicted, a portion would be left for salt after the rest of the Sea had been sweetened with the living water pouring out of temple mount. We even took a dip in the Dead Sea at En Gedi, rejoicing that one day this would be sweet water after Jesus returned. In fact, our guide, who catered to end-of-the-world-minded Christians, showed us fish ponds near the northern-most part of the Dead Sea which, according to his explanation, were being prepared for the time when the Dead Sea would be sweetened.

Back to May 13, 1981
A very important ingredient in the Premillennial scenario was "the rapture." Christians would not pass through the great seven-year tribulation. They would be taken out or snatched away and be with the Lord. In Matt. 24:38-41, Jesus spoke of one being taken and one being left. Also, 1 Thess. 4:17 "clearly" spoke of the Rapture:

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

The Rapture of the church was imminent. Hal Lindsey had stated that it was the next event in the prophetic scenario. I had a bumper sticker that read, "In case of rapture, this car will self-destruct." My favorite song was "The King Is Coming." According to the Premillennial scenario, the end of all things would be in 1988, or 40 years after Israel occupied in the land and the "fig tree blossoms." If you deduct seven years for the Tribulation, this means that on May 14, 1981, the rapture of the Church would take place. Therefore, this was a very exciting evening to be alive!

I shared every detail with the women of the Bethel Lutheran Church Ladies' Guild. After my presentation, one little elderly woman said, "Reverend, why are you scaring us?"

Well, May 14, 1988, came and went, and nothing happened. In fact, 1988 came and went and nothing happened. Since that time, the Soviet Union has disbanded. The European Common Market now includes far more than ten members and Israel is giving land back to the Palestinians. When the events did not pan out, some prophecy "experts" redated the blooming of the fig tree to 1967, when Israel occupied the old city of Jerusalem. This would put the time of the end in the year 2007 and the "rapture" in the year 2000. The Y2K scare also fueled the notion that this would be the start of the tribulation. Again, it didn't happen.

Having bought into this Premillennial way of thinking and living with great expectations that came to absolutely nothing brought me to the conclusion that this theology is the greatest hoax ever visited upon unsuspecting Christians. The hoax lives on. Despite of unfulfilled predictions, the thinking persists.

The Roots of the System
I embraced the Premillennial Dispensational way of thinking because it appeared to be the most reasonable explanation of the events that were occurring. It is the primary end-time position taught within much of modern Evangelical Christianity, even though all the predictions that have arisen as a result of this view have come to naught. What is the source of this teaching? How did it arise?

In 1832, Edward Irving (1792-1834) established the Catholic Apostolic Church and taught the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Irving believed there had to be a reestablishment of the 12 apostles before Jesus would return. He appointed these 12 apostles. Of course, one by one, they eventually died and Jesus never returned. John Nelson Darby, who founded the Plymouth Brethren in 1847 in England and Ireland, spearheaded the dispensational interpretation of the Bible. He was widely influenced by Edward Irving. Darby taught that Biblical history is divided into seven "dispensations" or periods of time. The final dispensation would be the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ on earth. An important key to understanding Dispensationalism is the notion that God will reestablish an earthly kingdom with the nation of Israel. For this reason, the events in Israel are of vital importance for the Premillennial Dispensationalist. Before the coming of Jesus, the temple would be rebuilt and the sacrificial system reinstated.

Because this kingdom was offered and then refused by the Jews, it would be offered again in the future. By crucifying Jesus, the Jews rejected the kingdom, but God did not reject Israel. As an after-thought or a parenthesis, Christ then went on to establish the church because Gentiles now believed what the Jews rejected. This is the "Church Age" spoken of by Dispensationalists and it must end before God can re-establish His primary work with the Jews. The church age ends with the rapture. Darby's Dispensational ideas caught on like wildfire in America, and were widely spread by the Scofield Reference Bible. Scofield, ____a layman___, having studied Biblical prophecy for 30 years, added notes to the text of Scripture promoting Darby¹s Dispensational theology. Many Christians today regard Scofield's notes as being equally inspired as the Bible itself.

Apparently, however, neither Darby nor Scofield originated the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. Darby was inspired by **a woman** named Margaret MacDonald who reported a revelation given to her by God during a healing service in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in 1830. MacDonald reported that in her vision, there was a two-stage process to the Second Coming of Christ. The first stage, the rapture, removed the church from this world. Christians would be caught up before the great tribulation and be taken to heaven. After the tribulation, Jesus would return to earth and establish His millennial kingdom. These ideas were embraced by Darby, promoted by Scofield and developed more fully in many of the Bible schools like Moody, Fuller and especially Dallas Theological Seminary during the 20th century in the United States. Many of the more FANATICAL proponents of the premillennial view are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary.

Bad Theology
This theological system is replete with errors.

1. The present-day nation of Israel is no more involved in God's plans for the future than is France, England, Germany, the United States, etc. The teaching of the New Testament is very clear - Jesus fulfilled everything pertaining to Israel and formed the New Israel, His church. It is an abomination to claim that the church is merely a parenthesis or an afterthought in the divine scheme of redemption. In fact, the Bible clearly states that the plans of God and the wisdom of God will be revealed in His church (Eph. 3:8-11).

2. Much of the "tribulation prophecy" in the Old Testament prophets, the Olivet discourses of our Lord Jesus, and the Book of Revelation was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. When Jesus said in Matt. 24:32-34 that "this generation will not pass away," He was not referring to some future generation that would see the political nation of Israel established by the United Nations. He was referring to the generation alive at the time He spoke the words. His words were fulfilled. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. In fact, there is a view of Biblical prophecy called Preterism. Those who hold the view claim that all futuristic prophecy was fulfilled in the First Century.

3. The teaching of two "second comings" of Jesus is not Biblical. As the Apostles' Creed simply states, "From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead." On the mount of Ascension the angels told the disciples that He would come again in the same way they saw Him depart into heaven. Nowhere does the Bible teach two "second comings." The language of 1 Thess. 4:17 does not allow for the "rapture" teaching. The phrase "to meet the Lord" literally means "to meet for the purpose of welcoming back." The Greek phrase "to meet" ( eis apanthsin) is only used on four occasions in the New Testament. In each case it means to go out to meet for the purpose of welcoming. (See, for example, Acts 28:15.)

Conclusion
Premillennial Dispensationalism is a deceptive teaching. Those who promote these views and fill the minds of God's people with this nonsense are perpetrating a hoax.

Jesus is coming again. This is our glorious hope. Jesus told us to be about the business of preaching and teaching His Gospel and not speculate about His second coming. Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming. "Even so, come Lord Jesus!"

Matzat HERE

104 posted on 03/31/2002 5:41:32 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: antidemocommie
People have made the claim for a thousand years, so why is now any different?
108 posted on 03/31/2002 7:08:01 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: antidemocommie
The Anti-Christ is here right now, and WE even elected him as President for two terms!
123 posted on 03/31/2002 9:00:36 PM PST by NordP
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To: antidemocommie
"But as for that day or hour no one knows it- neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son -except the Father." Mark 13:32

Jesus tells us that there will be "wars and rumors of wars", but that these things do not signal that His return is imminent. There will be many other signs, but these do not necessarily point to His return either. They are all things that are meant to come to pass; possibly well in advance of that time.

Plan your life as though He will not return during your lifetime. Live every day as though he will return that very day.

136 posted on 03/31/2002 10:40:44 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: antidemocommie
One of the signs written in the Holy Bible that Jesus' time is near left to happen is Israel compassed with armies.

Bethleham,Israel surrounded by Tanks.

148 posted on 04/01/2002 3:30:20 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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WORLD RELIGION PROMOTED BY THE U.N. WILL BE THE WORKS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST.


152 posted on 04/02/2002 6:12:17 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: antidemocommie
Israeli Army Deliberately Killed Christians in Bethlehem.
153 posted on 04/02/2002 9:14:20 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: antidemocommie
BTTT for further discussion and interest.
159 posted on 04/02/2002 7:10:38 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: antidemocommie

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161 posted on 04/03/2002 4:42:08 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: antidemocommie
Okay... Firstly no one knows the hour not the angels in heaven or even the son (Jesus) but the father alone. Okay... This is all speculation... This is fact: You are never too late to wash away your sins! All you got to do (in short) is accept Jesus into your heart as Lord and Savior who died on the cross, then came back again. I really believe we are in the end-times and Jesus is very soon to come. Okay, the Antichrist. John (disciple) says there are many antichrists, but the most noteworthy Antichrist is the one who will be indwelt by Satan. He is very likely to be alive - and probably getting up in rank in something such as the EU. Haley's bible indicates he might come from Vatican City. This could be so because if Babylon is the mother of all false religions (Buhdism, etc. was basically brought up from there, and they contradict the first 4 commandments) Jerusalem is the mother of all true religion (because Jesus was crucified and raised there) Rome is an unholy mixture of the two. Because, first it was Christian, then some Babylonian ideas worked its way into it... Cathlicism appeared (praying for the dead, praying to Mary, instituting the mass, etc.) Long answer huh... I'll continue! We'll all most likely witness the antichrist before the rapture - if he isen't even here yet - but I am sure he is The U.S... good or bad... Well, republicans in most case - good, democrats - usually bad... If you'll notice the press is really putting down Christianity and Catholicism.
166 posted on 04/09/2002 1:26:50 AM PDT by Rebuilt Babylon
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To: antidemocommie
Where are we on God's timeline of events that take place prior to the return of Christ?
Personal educated opinion, we are zooming towards the culmination of things.

Is there really anything holding back the Rapture?
The Rapture is a sign-less event. It will happen without warning. Nothing has to happen before it can occur. The only thing holding it back is the Holy Spirit. But the rapture could occur before I finish typing this sentence or it may occur outside of our lifetimes. It will occur though.

What about the Anti-Christ? Is he alive and well, or has he not been born yet?
Don't know. He hasn't been revealed. My guess is yes, but others have guessed the same. I'll stick with scripture though and look for Jesus Christ rather than the AntiChrist. The latter is only the henchman of a defeated devil anyway. I read the back of the book, and Jesus wins!

Before the Rapture, will we get to see the arrival of the Anti-Christ?
Open to some interpretation. Possibly, but not probably (if you hold to a pre-trib rapture). Watchful people may recognize him, but does his "being revealed" imply that nobody could know his identity before this? I don't know.

Does current US politics and policies help spread the Good News, or usher in Satan incarnate?Yes, and yes. The good news has been spread through the witness of our President (which unfortunately has grown less vocal since we are dealing with the Muslims). Billy Graham, at the 911 memorial, gave a gospel message to every country in the world for the first time in history. The US stance regarding Israel, focusses people on the Bible to a certain extent. So, yes, it does help spread the good news. But also, yes, it ushers in Satan incarnate. Our "can't we all just get along." attitude towards Islam will bite us one day. The joining together of religious institutions (Christian with non-Christian) and the dropping of doctrinal barriers, coupled with the view that truth is relative so depending upon the meaning of the word "is" it really doesn't matter what a politician does, all of this sets up a scenario where Satan could send forth his son of perdition into the world.

Next on the time table. Several things could happen before or after the rapture. There is nothing in Scripture that says that the tribulation will occur immediately after the rapture. It's a good guess, but just a guess. I look for Russian and a group of Arab states to attack Israel. All but 1/6 of the invading army will be destroyed. Also, Damascus has yet to be a unihabitable ruin, so it appears that this prophecy is future. Beyond that, we all should make sure that our lives are right with Christ and strive to know Him and serve Him with all of our might as if this is the very last day we can do so.
172 posted on 04/26/2002 11:51:55 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: antidemocommie
Since you threw out the question...

I have studied Revelations and other Biblical prophesies in many different contexts. I am left with the conclusion that no person can write a timeline of the End Times.

Otherwise sensible Christians can get very weird about eschatology. We should be very cautious.

The entire Bible is like a Renaissance painting--clear and beautiful and entirely rational and graspable.

Except for Revelation, which is like Picasso and the Cubists. Bizarre, only a glimpse of what conflagration is ahead. While Revelation is as true as any other book, it is a collection of visions and impressions and NO RELIABLE LINEAR ANALYSIS is possbile!!

However, there are lots of hints we can wait for, and the Temple Mound should be observed.

178 posted on 04/27/2002 8:17:36 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: antidemocommie
Christians: Will Jesus Christ Soon Return?
It could never be soon enough!
189 posted on 04/29/2002 7:51:10 AM PDT by Delbert
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To: antidemocommie
Yes I certainly believe that Jesus is returning to Earth soon. We don't know when, and the Bible warns us not to focus on the day or time, but it does say "When you see these things come to pass, LOOK UP, for your redemption draweth nigh". I am packed and ready!!
191 posted on 05/11/2002 1:39:25 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: antidemocommie
I just found this thread, so I thought I'd comment on it, in spite of the fact it's been around awhile.

Disreguarding the dogmatism which always erupts from many corners concerning this subject, let me say this. Personally, I find that believing in a pre-Tribulation Rapture encourages holy living; for at any moment, one could find themselves standing before the living Lord. Granted, some of the more lazy and willfully ignorant Christians will use the Rapture as an excuse to cower and hide, as opposed to confronting evil, that is no worse than the Christian Reconstructionists who believe the world must be subdued before Jesus returns, or the amillennialists, who don't believe there are end times, that the world is getting better and better, etc.

Even things which are clear as glass can be muddied by sinful human nature. This is no exception. The only really important questions are in whose blood are you covered? Whom do you serve?

If the Church is destined to suffer through the Tribulation, then God's Grace will be sufficient for that day. If the Church is to be removed, not experiencing God's wrath, then it's a blessed hope for the future that should be cherished, as well as effecting how we live and deal with one another.

As for the theology, whenever a thread such as this appears, it's a given that the same old tired, dogmatic doctrines will be presented. Nobody learns from this. It's like a room full of people who all talk at once, and do not listen. Everyone wants to speak their two-cents, and they do. I could write several pages which would be an attempt to justify my own dearly-held doctrine, just as dogmatically as the others. Would anyone listen? Past experience tells me that no, they would not.

The Rapture question is not crucial to Salvation. Although Salvation itself is subject to dogmatic heresy, it is not so prevelent as the Rapture. Usually questions of Salvation are found coming from outside the Body of Christ.

So, I would modify the title of this thread to read: Will You be Ready to Meet Jesus when He Comes Again?

Sadly, many people who think they would, will find themselves left out in the cold.

194 posted on 05/11/2002 2:07:26 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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