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To: SoothingDave
Wrong. That believing and confessing includes obedience to His commands. And His command, the way He wishes us to participate in his Sacrifice, is through the Eucharist.

Wrong. Obedience to His commands is part of the walk AFTER being born again. -You are adding something to being born again that was not required either by Jesus or the apostles. Believe and confess. I don't see anywhere in that verse "and obey all Gods commandments and you shall be born again." No. Believe and confess is the foundation. You're trying to tell use the foundation, the walls and roof are all put up in one shot. That ain't how they taught it, and it isn't how it works.

If one was just born again, they can take communion; but, it's a matter done for reflection. It doesn't make them any more born again than when they believed and confessed. Like I said, the catholic church doesn't even understand basic salvation and it shows in what you say here. You don't understand the spiritual work. If you did, you wouldn't be pushing this nonsense of you get born again then go participate in the sacrifice... Blasphemous garbage. If not for participating in the sacrifice through it's acceptance, not a single soul could ever be born again. WAKE UP!

7,605 posted on 05/01/2002 12:39:44 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: SoothingDave
Havoc writes:

"...Like I said, the catholic church doesn't even understand basic salvation and it shows in what you say here..."

Scripture very clearly lays out what the Catholic Church is to do, and she follows Scripture and uses Church Authority and Tradition. Even when the Scripture is provided, you ignore those, several in fact, who ask you questions. Why? I suppose it is because Scripture can only mean what you want it to mean, not what God says it means.

7,613 posted on 05/01/2002 12:56:35 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Havoc
If one was just born again, they can take communion; but, it's a matter done for reflection. It doesn't make them any more born again than when they believed and confessed. Like I said, the catholic church doesn't even understand basic salvation and it shows in what you say here. You don't understand the spiritual work. If you did, you wouldn't be pushing this nonsense of you get born again then go participate in the sacrifice... Blasphemous garbage. If not for participating in the sacrifice through it's acceptance, not a single soul could ever be born again. WAKE UP!

You wake up! One is born again in Baptism. And the grace of Baptism flows from the Sacrifice. I don't teach that the Eucharist is the experience that makes one "born again." It's a lot easier to make up stuff and then attack that, instead of listening, isn't it?

SD

7,615 posted on 05/01/2002 12:59:58 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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