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To: SoothingDave
He also said you have to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Why you approve of some verses and discount others is beyond me. Again, where in Scripture is the idea that "Spirit and life" means a metaphor?

Which means he either created a whole new doctrine (which he did not) or he was relating the truth he'd stated before - believing and confessing was the acceptance and participation in the sacrifice. Your ploy with "spirit and life" is your continuing carnal war with what the scripture says. Tell me, do you physically live by eating words? Of course not. Living on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (matt. 4:4) is a spiritual thing. It relates directly to what Jesus is saying. "My words are spirit and life." Thus are you supposed to eat the words and digest them? Spiritually, yes. Physically, no. IE the flesh profiteth nothing. It's not a physical act he's speaking of. Again - plain evident to the spiritually minded. Dumbfounding to those in the carnal.

7,564 posted on 05/01/2002 10:47:02 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
Which means he either created a whole new doctrine (which he did not)

Agreed.

or he was relating the truth he'd stated before -

Right.

believing and confessing was the acceptance and participation in the sacrifice.

Wrong. That believing and confessing includes obedience to His commands. And His command, the way He wishes us to participate in his Sacrifice, is through the Eucharist.

Your ploy with "spirit and life" is your continuing carnal war with what the scripture says.

Yawn. Where does "spirit" mean "metaphor" again?

Tell me, do you physically live by eating words? Of course not. Living on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (matt. 4:4) is a spiritual thing. It relates directly to what Jesus is saying. "My words are spirit and life." Thus are you supposed to eat the words and digest them?

No. You are supposed to take Jesus at His word and do what He says. If His Words are spirit and life and He says that His Flesh is real food and I have to eat Him and that this bread is His flesh, by gum, I believe Him. What's so hard about that?

SD

7,565 posted on 05/01/2002 10:52:56 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Havoc writes:

Which means he either created a whole new doctrine (which he did not) or he was relating the truth he'd stated before - believing and confessing was the acceptance and participation in the sacrifice. Your ploy with "spirit and life" is your continuing carnal war with what the scripture says. Tell me, do you physically live by eating words? Of course not. Living on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (matt. 4:4) is a spiritual thing. It relates directly to what Jesus is saying. "My words are spirit and life." Thus are you supposed to eat the words and digest them? Spiritually, yes. Physically, no. IE the flesh profiteth nothing. It's not a physical act he's speaking of. Again - plain evident to the spiritually minded. Dumbfounding to those in the carnal.

Carnal war? No Havoc. Based in Scripture? Yes, and I believe something that you are able to comprehend but willfully refuse to. Nowhere in the NT is "Spirit" used in a symbolic sense, either in referring to the "Holy Spirit" or to anything else designated as Spirit. Christ did not say "My flesh is spirit". He said "My words are spirit and life".

The Spirit gives life, both now and in eternity. And yes, people cannot understand the words of Christ unless they are led in the Spirit.

The same goes for the interpretation of "...the flesh counts for nothing..." meaning that Christ is discounting a literal interpretation of his words in John 6:54-58. Verse 63 is not discussing the flesh and blood of Jesus, but addressing the disbelief of the Jews.

7,580 posted on 05/01/2002 11:30:02 AM PDT by Fury
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