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Also, even though you asked me for a reference for the Luther quote , you obviously didn`t pay it much mind when I gave it to you. You just asked me if I ever heard of Wycliffe and the name of the book I used for reference was titled : The Reformation: A History of European Civilization from WYCLIFFE to Calvin .

Are you so naive that you can't see why I mentioned Wycliff? Your "historical" statement ": 1. He was the one of the first and best known of those who made a break with the Church. is only 1/2 true. Though he is the the best known, most likely due to the invention of the printing press, he is far from being "one of the first". I mentioned Wycliffe because, though you make a pretense of historical knowlege, you were apparently unaware he preceded Luther. =====================================================================================