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Re 64957

He also said that works and fruits can appear the same, except one is motivated by the HS and the other isn't.

It appears that you are attempting to misrepresent my statements (again). Repeating the same misrepresentation does not change what I originally stated. I did not state that works were bad nor did I state that works and fruits can appear the same.

Yes, you basically did. Let's look at the evidence.

I have no idea where you arrived at the idea I stated works were/are bad. I specifically stated, "Salavation is through faith, not works. Works are a product of salavation. Salvation is not a product of works."

Fair enough. When I said that "works" are bad, I meant works done to attempt to save oneself, without God. I thought that was the distinction you were making between "works" and "Fruit." Weren't you?

; "Good works can be imitated by those who are not Christian, so one shouldn't just a person by their works, but by their fruit."

So you are making some type of distinction between imitation, non-Christian "good works" (What I said you called "works") and good, genuine, Christian "works" (What I said you were calling "fruit.") Where have I misrepresented what you are saying?

(post 64117) I also stated, "The effects of both (works and fruit) may be the same in outward appearance. However, fruit comes through the Holy Spirit and through no effort of our own. Works, on the other hand, come through a conscious effort of man." (post 64153)

Again, you say that the "effects" may be the same in outward apearance. So I asked how we are to judge which is which if the "effects of both" may be the "same in outward appearance."

This question has still not been answered.

How do we know, if the effects of either are the same outwardly, which is "through the Holy Spirit" and which come "through the conscious effort of man"? I await the answer.

(Also, are you then saying that "fruits" are not the product of the conscious effort of man, that you are in effect unconscious and effortless while doing such thing?)

So I asked how we are supposed to judge if we can't tell the difference without knowing what is motivating a person.

John 7:14-36 addresses that issue.

Does it? Can you specify what part answers my question about how you tell what motivates outward appearances that are similar?

I dont' expect you to answer it, cause it isn't your words.

Would you mind stating to whom those words belong? I have shown they are not mine.

I was addressing Becky, telling her she did not have any obligation to try to explain your words. I have shown here exactly what you said and you do indeed own the words and need to explain them.