[SoothingDave]

But IF they are truly saved, and only that person and God would know, then God would Chasten them, even to the point of death to keep them saved.

I agree. If they are truly saved.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Well that would take us to 1 John 5:13 which tells us we each can know about our own selves. I think the problem with you is it bothers you that there is no way to know for sure about OTHERS. Somehow I think you think if we can't know for sure about others salvation, we can't know about our own. But we can, God said so.

Becky