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To: malakhi
Are you ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior yet?

BigMack

46,253 posted on 04/06/2003 9:06:02 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Are you ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior yet?

Hey Mack, good to see you tonight. I have some thoughts I've been pondering, and they do even relate to your question.

Okay. I can understand why Jesus's followers believed that he was the messiah, and I can even understand why they continued to believe this after his death. I understand their belief in his resurrection (whatever its nature) and his future return.

From the other angle, I can understand how Jesus was seen a Tzaddik or righteous man. I will agree that there is some precedence in Judaism for the suffering of a tzaddik as a means of healing and reconciliation with God. I will further agree that, to the extent that a tzaddik unites his will with God's, he can be said to be incarnating God.

In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. (John 14:20)

What I cannot get my mind around is the orthodox conception of Jesus being one in being with the Father, the second person of a trinitarian God. Instead of trinitarianism, what makes more sense to me is the alternative doctrine of dynamic monarchianism, which holds that Jesus was a man, and that he was "adopted" as God's Son at his baptism.

In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens opened and the Spirit descending upon him like a dove;
and a voice came from heaven, "Thou art my beloved Son; with thee I am well pleased." (Mark 1:9-11)

In this scenario, it is a unity of spirit rather than a unity of being. In like manner, others can become adopted sons of God.

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

To me, this better explains the passages of the gospels that are difficult for trinitarianism to explain. It also fits the teaching about becoming sons of God as taught by the Essene Jews. Based upon the historical research I have done, this seems to be closer to what the Nazarenes actually believed -- as opposed to the formal doctrine of the trinity set down hundreds of years later by the Emperor Contantine's Council of Nicea.

To make a long story longer, and specifically to answer your question, then, I don't think my beliefs about Jesus would pass muster as you understand it.

46,260 posted on 04/06/2003 10:05:18 PM PDT by malakhi (Visualize global warming. Help stamp out winter!)
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