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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: OLD REGGIE
You know this. Yes. What part of accidents and substance don't you understand?

You must be lacking in faith.

Please go back to calling me a "brat." It is more endearing.

Or go take a nap or something.

SD

7,081 posted on 04/29/2002 2:43:27 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Holy cow Al! Cedric Benson arrested for marijuana? You'd better hope Coach Brown is the forgiving sort cuz without Cedric you guys are cooked. :-)

That was my first thought, too. Hopefully he's as teflon-coated as Michael Irvin! ;o)

7,082 posted on 04/29/2002 2:47:35 PM PDT by al_c
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
and the Spirit inside of me says on to attempt #53 with angelo. :)

Oh great. ;o)

7,083 posted on 04/29/2002 2:52:42 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: SoothingDave
On the other hand, doesn't it violate the laws of the universe to have a man hold up his hands and see a sea part? Or a walking stick to be thrown down and turn into a snake.

Permanently?

7,084 posted on 04/29/2002 2:53:34 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: IMRight
or "Can God turn bread into His true flesh in a way that Angelo cannot measure?". The question here implies it's own answer.

Or "Can God turn angelo into The Man of Steel, but in such a way that it is undetectible by any means, and does not change my physical properties at all? You posit a distinction without a difference.

7,085 posted on 04/29/2002 2:56:04 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
On the other hand, doesn't it violate the laws of the universe to have a man hold up his hands and see a sea part? Or a walking stick to be thrown down and turn into a snake.

Permanently?

No, it doesn't violate the laws permanently. They are temporary actions of God in the created universe.

(I think that's what you mean by your brief question.)

What were we talking about anyway, pi being 3?

SD

7,086 posted on 04/29/2002 2:56:27 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight
Wait. He would need to know "how" to do it. That's omniscience again. Whew. :)

LOL!

7,087 posted on 04/29/2002 2:57:14 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Or "Can God turn angelo into The Man of Steel, but in such a way that it is undetectible by any means, and does not change my physical properties at all? You posit a distinction without a difference.

You are aware of faith, yes? The difference here means all the world. Whether God's Body is physically present with us in the world, where we can see it and touch it. Or not.

To science, there is no difference. But to faith it is whether we should stomp on a cracker or hold it high.

SD

7,088 posted on 04/29/2002 2:58:29 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: angelo, ALL
and the Spirit inside of me says on to attempt #53 with angelo. :)

Oh great. ;o)

My only goal in life is to see you become one of us. If it were not for you I would not post another post on the Story, its all your fault that I'm still posting on here, so if you just give up, I'll leave everone here in peace.

:)

BigMack

7,089 posted on 04/29/2002 2:59:14 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: angelo
Or "Can God turn angelo into The Man of Steel, but in such a way that it is undetectible by any means, and does not change my physical properties at all? You posit a distinction without a difference.

Let me try another poor analogy here before I leave. Let us say that you were an adopted child, who did not know his parents. Then one day you discover who they were, and furthermore you discover that you are a Jew.

While, in the cosmic sense you always were a Jew, to your sense of self there is a new identity. Any outside measurement of angelo on the day before and angelo on the day afterwould show the same thing, physically.

But "who you are" would be substantially (literally) changed.

SD

7,090 posted on 04/29/2002 3:03:02 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Within the created universe, sure. Kinda. Maybe. We don't expect God to violate the laws of the universe He created. On the other hand, doesn't it violate the laws of the universe to have a man hold up his hands and see a sea part? Or a walking stick to be thrown down and turn into a snake.

Yet at the same time you'd say that Which God decided was unacceptable concerning his laws changed because the sacrifice changed - the which you cannot support as Catholics. Must be they just changed for you in your fictitious dreamworld where what you like is what gets you by...

7,091 posted on 04/29/2002 3:27:27 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: angelo
Can God turn angelo into The Man of Steel, but in such a way that it is undetectible by any means, and does not change my physical properties at all?

Yes. Without a doubt. He absolutely can. (How many ways can I say "yes"?)

Now the question is: "Did He ever say that He did/would?" In which case... you are.

7,092 posted on 04/29/2002 3:57:07 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
My only goal in life is to see you become one of us. If it were not for you I would not post another post on the Story, its all your fault that I'm still posting on here, so if you just give up, I'll leave everone here in peace.

Hey wait a minute Mack. I don't want you to leave. Ok I'll start buying George Beverly Shea CD's. Will ya stay now?

7,093 posted on 04/29/2002 4:19:03 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OLD REGGIE
Regarding the quote I posted over the weekend of Martin Luther. As promised, here is the source : The Reformation : A History of European Civilization from Wycliff to Calvin. 1300 - 1564, By W. Durant.
7,094 posted on 04/29/2002 5:52:19 PM PDT by Ard Ri
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To: angelo;PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
But Paul threw out all of the dietary laws, so eating the flesh and blood of a man is okay now.

What if we only eat His divine nature instead of His human nature (you know, the only part Mary was the mother of)? Then it wouldn't be the flesh and blood of a man, right?

7,095 posted on 04/29/2002 6:56:05 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Hey wait a minute Mack. I don't want you to leave. Ok I'll start buying George Beverly Shea CD's. Will ya stay now?

LOL!!! Only if you promise to sing a good old fashion hymn ever once and a while also. :)

BigMack

7,096 posted on 04/29/2002 8:18:58 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: IMRight, angelo
What if we only eat His divine nature instead of His human nature (you know, the only part Mary was the mother of)? Then it wouldn't be the flesh and blood of a man, right?

:)

BigMack
7,097 posted on 04/29/2002 8:37:58 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: angelo
Can God create a stone so heavy He cannot lift it? We assume that God follows the law of noncontradiction. On the other hand, Aristotle's logic is not Scripture.
7,098 posted on 04/29/2002 8:44:35 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SoothingDave
You are aware of faith, yes? The difference here means all the world. Whether God's Body is physically present with us in the world, where we can see it and touch it. Or not. To science, there is no difference. But to faith it is whether we should stomp on a cracker or hold it high.

You may have all the faith in the world, but if you chemically analyze that bread and wine, it is still bread and wine. To those without faith in this miracle, it seems absurd to say that they have been physically changed into the body and blood of Jesus.

7,099 posted on 04/29/2002 9:03:34 PM PDT by malakhi
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7,100 posted on 04/29/2002 9:04:33 PM PDT by malakhi
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