Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
My Dell is just fine too. 4 years old and the only thing I ever had to replace was the video card. Their tech support is great. My son's Dell is 3 years old and he uses it for games. He wound up with a corrupted file somehow. His computer doesn't go online. Anyway, we had to do a reinstall. Dell talked us through it and when they had us check the zip drive, for some reason it malfunctioned. They sent out a Dell rep who replaced the zip drive here at the house, the very next day, and at no charge! (I had the extended warranty on his. I don't know why I did that, I don't usually do that) But in this instance it worked out for the best.
Generators are a nice thing to have.
But I have a question. Our new bodies will be incorruptible. Conversely corruptible is a quality I associate with mere physicality. Since I would assume that the Risen Lord would also posess an incorruptable body, an idea occured to me today.
Is it possible that "Spirit" is used in different ways in the Bible? If anything, I would not assume that God being Spirit would necessarily mean he was less solid than the universe he created. Rather, in relation to God I would think it is we who are less "real." Less solid. Vapor.
So when Jesus said he was not a spirit, meaning (I assume) an intangible ghost, could it be that he did not mean he was not now SPIRIT (as opposed to a spirit) but that the SPIRIT he now was was MORE than physical rather than less?
Are there different words used in the Hebrew and Greek that are all translated as Spirit?
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I heard you can get corrupted files in the purchase of software such as games etc.
As I keep pointing out, it's not my claim. It's the claim of Paul, who was personally picked by Jesus Christ himself to be a disciple and an apostle.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
Jesus says:
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
What did Jesus mean here? Was he with God the father and made out of flesh and bone even before flesh and bone was created through him? If we accept your premise that Jesus Christ today is made out of a flesh and bone body, and not a spiritual body, then he must have been flesh and bone before. Right?
God the son says God is spirit. Jesus Christ is God. :
Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Your interpretation of a verse contradicts an entire chapter of the bible, written by a man who knew the resurrected Jesus Christ. Not only that, it contradicts one direct statement saying that God is spirit, and another saying that Christ wanted to return to the same glory he had BEFORE the world was made.
When there is a contradiction, I feel safer believing the bible.
I would agree with that statement 100%. Our physical world is nothing but a collection of stuff held together by the will and power of God, the reality. That's why I find it preposterious that the resurrected Christ has any created substance in him.
So when Jesus said he was not a spirit, meaning (I assume) an intangible ghost, could it be that he did not mean he was not now SPIRIT (as opposed to a spirit) but that the SPIRIT he now was was MORE than physical rather than less?
I think normally we can not see God at all not because he's some vaporous ghost, but because we lack the capability as physical creatures to perceive eternal substance with our natural senses. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have substance, only that we can't touch it or see it. Unless he chooses to rearrange some created stuff and present himself to us.
Jealous? Or just don't have anything substantial to add to the conversation?
It was really weird because he hadn't installed anything new for like 6 months and then suddely a couple of the games stopped working. Oh well, everything is ok now. Games have bugs too. Just seems that somewhere along the line these 'bugs' are being missed. I thought that debugging was supposed to get rid of bugs! I dislike paying good money for 'buggy' programs, whether they are games or operating systems.
Bwahaha! Good one drstevej. I love your insightful analysis of my posts. Your refutations of the scripture I use to support the position I have taken is masterful. My hat goes off to you sir.
No Doug I will never die spiritually I began my eternal life the moment I was saved, I have the word of Jesus for that
Eph 1:13-14 You heard and believed the message of truth, the Good News that he has saved you. In him you were sealed with the Holy Spirit whom he promised.
This Holy Spirit is the guarantee that we will receive our inheritance. We have this guarantee until we are set free to belong to him. God receives praise and glory for this.
Doug a seal is a sing of ownership. At that moment the Holy Spirit sealed our position in Christ . it is a promise of our perseverance .
Doug what do you believe wil happen to you when you die?
The holy spirit is the promise that God will give us eternal life at the coming of Christ. This occurs at the second coming of Christ: Where do you hang out till then.? Will you be spiritually dead?
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
Doug read what you posted and think about it. What does it say? This is speaking of the bodily resurrection of the dead at the second coming . When that immortal Human body will rise from the grave.
Again it has nothing to do with eternity beginning at the moment of new birth
Notice how Paul says we are still mortal UNTIL Christ returns. Then we receive our promise, the promise of eternal life.
So where will you hang out till then ?
But then again, this is just Paul exactly describing when and what occurs.
He is describing the second coming and the physical bodies coming out of the grave
Of course God's guarantee is as good as gold, which is why in many places the writers of scripture write as if it is already a sure thing.
LOL Doug you are well aware what the scripture says so you defend it by saying that the writers did not REALLY mean what they said
Do you assume that Jesus misspoke too?
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Lets look at the Greek for the word HAVE
echo {ekh'-o} TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 2:816,286 including an alternate form scheo {skheh'-o}, used in certain tenses only), a primary verb
Part of Speech
v Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to have, i.e. to hold
a) to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
2) to have i.e. own, possess
a) external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
b) used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship>BR> 3) to hold one's self or find one's self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
4) to hold one's self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing
This greek word is in the present tense not future
5774 Tense - Present
The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense. Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English will often occur in the present tense in Greek. These are termed "historical presents," and such occurrences dramatize the event described as if the reader were there watching the event occur. Some English translations render such historical presents in the English past tense, while others permit the tense to remain in the present.
Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Lets look at the Greek meaning ofis passed
metabaino {met-ab-ah'-ee-no}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 1:523,90 from 3326 and the base of 939
Part of Speech v
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to pass over from one place to another, to remove, depart
The tense is the perfect tense
5778 Tense - Perfect
The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.
Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."
Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.
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Your attitudes and actions truly speak for themselves Steve. Good luck to you.
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