[Aracelis]

Although very well said, there are more than a few individuals on this thread who just like to argue.

[general_re]

Oh, I don't have a problem with that - I've been known to play devil's advocate just for the sake of provocation from time to time. I just wish I could puzzle out some sense of progress, as though all this was ultimately leading somewhere. Obviously, a consensus is going to be next to impossible, but just finding something new to fight about would be sort of refreshing at this point ;)