On the other side, we have a few brave souls trying to explain that reality DOES exist, it IS knowable, that evolution DOES have a huge foundation of easily verifyable evidence, that it DOES hang together rationally, and that although it seems to contradict scripture -- the principle objection, I fear -- it won't be the first time this has happened (thus the many references to Galileo and the solar system and the shape of the earth).
So where do we go from here? It's like Galileo offering the churchmen the opportunity to look through his telescope to see for themselves the moons of Jupiter, while they would refuse because they could not deal with the consequences.
This thread, like all of its kind that have gone before, is going nowhere because we have two clearly self-defined camps: those who understand and practice reason, and those who sling the vocabulary around when it suits them, but who either don't understand reason or who do understand it but repudiate it in favor of mysticism. And neither camp will change, so here we are.
173 Posted on 11/28/1999 04:45:37 PST by PatrickHenry
2204 posted on 3/27/02 5:08 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by PatrickHenry
OK---over here...
These are the lies you are being spoon fed(baby)!
What lies do you speak of? I understand and agree with his post (except I did change from the Creationist camp..)