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To: AndrewC
It is relevant only if evolutionary logic is logical.

The evolutionary logic is the challenge here. That is the game.

The challenge to me from time-to-time is to cite an example of how evolution provides a framework for prediction. Now, I might have asked how evolutionists, not creationists, came to suspect Piltdown Man was a fraud or Nebraska Man was a misinterpretation. Evolution says there are things that should not be found.

But gore3000, lawerying AndrewCesquely on the shortcomings of the fossil record, said something to the effect that "for all evo science knows, there were mammary glands on dinosaurs."

Now, nobody actually thinks there were mamms on a dino. It's clearly not enough just to get the right answer. How do you know there weren't? Show your work. Thus was born the dino-mammary quiz.

You have to guess what evolution says on the subject.

Trib7 seemed to come close, but I noticed his answer was very, very different from mine. His technique was sort of ad hoc. In particular, he not only wasn't using evolution, he wasn't using ID either.

He reasoned, "T. rex is a big reptile. Lizards don't have mammaries. End story."

Well, OK. You can predict reptiles will be reptiles. But what if T. rex isn't just a big lizard? In fact, it isn't. T. rex itself was warm-blooded IIRC. If we don't know this for sure, its faster-running raptorian near-relatives had to have been.

Anyway, it's fair to point out to Trib7 that he isn't considering enough facts. And for sure, he isn't duplicating the evo logic, a thing I have very much come to wonder about regarding your side of things.

It occurred to me that he has no likelihood of replicating the evo logic without more facts. I gave him a few, but not enough to give the game away. I gave No-Kin a few more because its getting later and I want somebody from the other side to get the thing.

Originally, I actually wanted gore to get it when I first asked him. Then I could immediately ask, "Does your system do that?" Maybe that's what he was afraid of.

1,873 posted on 03/25/2002 12:12:54 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
The evolutionary logic is the challenge here.

Circular reasoning is not logic. To prove a theory through something whose only proof is the theory itself is circular logic. That is what paleontology is - circular logic - a bone proves evolution because the theory of evolution says what the bone should be.

1,968 posted on 03/25/2002 9:29:41 PM PST by gore3000
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