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To: VadeRetro
You don't have to recapitulate the whole year's lawyerly accomplishments.

You see, here's the problem. I pointed out "mistakes", they are really not VadeRetro's "mistakes". You did not make a chart based upon teeth, nor did you make a replica of a skull, nor even first allege that Mesonychus was the "father" of whales, those things were done by others. It becomes inexcusable of the antagonist, when having been shown by a messenger the shortcomings of those objects, that the messenger is then derided by him. Ad Hominems, however subtle, when used against logic, show lack of logic.

1,828 posted on 03/25/2002 8:03:27 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
You did not make a chart based upon teeth, nor did you make a replica of a skull, nor even first allege that Mesonychus was the "father" of whales, those things were done by others.

None of these is a sin, or even much of a mistake. The Mesonychus hypothesis is now largely abandoned, yes. An honest blind alley. Science makes progress.

It becomes inexcusable of the antagonist, when having been shown by a messenger the shortcomings of those objects, that the messenger is then derided by him.

It's all in the context. Pointing out that a picture is a picture of a replica of a skull and not the original skull does not make, say, faunal succession and the evidence for same go away. Even pointing out that all the Brontosaurus reconstructions in the world had the wrong name and the wrong head for 90 years does not accomplish this. (Not yours, I know. Bet you're jealous.)

And so much of your stuff just sort of vanishes when you try to examine it. Nothing inside.

Take your attacks upon guessing tooth size from animal size. Gore attacked the conclusion that Obduron insignis was a platypus that retained teeth in its adult life.

(All there is of it were teeth identical to a baby platypus tooth, except it's much too big to be the modern version. Later, however, specimens of 5-mya-younger Obduron dickinsoni turned up, supporting the earlier ideas about insignis. Gore could have learned this just by reading further.)

What inference are we supposed to make when we find a part from a modern animal, but it's in very old sediments and it's way too big? Is this a conspiracy to defraud the public? How so?

Gingerich makes a chart of tooth size in Pelycodus/Notharctus, assuming a correlation with animal size. You scream foul.

All distraction. Like just now, when the question is,

Why can so incredibly few of your C-side buddies don an evolutionist hat even temporarily to consider a question?

After all, they're always purporting to do so, getting it wrong, and announcing that evolution is refuted.

1,833 posted on 03/25/2002 8:58:01 AM PST by VadeRetro
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