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To: Gumlegs
The theory of evolution does not address the origin of life. Neither does calculus. Do you expect to see in calculus books the statement "God created life"?

That's a garbage analogy. Calculus does not talk about life, evolution does. Evolution nowhere says where it starts and if you have been following these threads you will see that the evolutionists deny that God created life. In fact, God's creation of life is totally incompatible with evolution. The reason is quite simple: if God created life, what is more likely - that the species were created by the convoluted, contradictory, almost impossible to think of "survival of the fittest" or that God created it? If one is a Christian and believes in the Bible, why should one think that God created life and then went to sleep? Certainly the Bible teaches that God is involved in the world. So why deny that he created different species as evolutionists constantly do. In fact, half the time their argument is 'you are not going ot say that God did it are you?'. So yes, evolution does deny God and it does deny that God created life in the beginning.

As to your posting on the Pope statement on evolution, yes, I read it, yes I remember it. And no, my opionion about it is none of your darn business.

1,776 posted on 03/24/2002 8:41:08 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
I've been out of the loop for a few days, so I'm a little behind on the discussion. I'd like to compliment G3K on giving me a better answer to my last post to him/her than the ones I've gotten in the past. Here it is, with my own comments:

Regarding my line that G3K might want a calculus textbook to affirm that God created life: That's a garbage analogy. Calculus does not talk about life, evolution does.

I'll admit I was being silly, but I had a point in mind and it was this: Calculus doesn't appear in the Bible. So, the important part of the answer (to me), is that G3K will accept things or ideas unmentioned in the Bible. Good. (Okay, okay, G3K posts to the web. But can we prove it's not through Devine intervention?)

Picking up the G3K answer again, and repeating the previous sentence for clarity, Calculus does not talk about life, evolution does. Evolution nowhere says where it starts and if you have been following these threads you will see that the evolutionists deny that God created life.[My boldface].

Hold it. Isn't this a contradiction in one sentence? "Evolution nowhere says where it starts" (I'm assuming the "it" refers to "life"), but "evolutionists deny that God created life." It certainly is a contradiction if you're referring to evolutionists writing about the theory of evolution. If you have evolutionists in a discussion somewhere denying that God created life -- a possibility inasmuch as within "evolutionists" you'll find people who don't believe in God -- the denial doesn't automatically become part of evolutionary theory. That would be like trying to say "Because my doctor told me last night at a cocktail party he doesn't like foreign cars, that's the official position of the AMA."

In fact, God's creation of life is totally incompatible with evolution. The reason is quite simple: if God created life, what is more likely - that the species were created by the convoluted, contradictory, almost impossible to think of "survival of the fittest" or that God created it?

This strikes me as a matter of opinion. In my opinion, neither is very likely. The odds are indeed against evolution happening exactly as it did. However, that's a meaningless statement, because whatever the odds might have been, what happened happened. The odds are against 10 coin-flippings coming up heads every time, but it can happen. Once it has, the odds of it's having happened are 100%. On the other hand, if you posit an all-knowing and all-powerful God, it strikes me as a tad insulting to Him that this screwed up mess of creation is something He did.

If one is a Christian and believes in the Bible, why should one think that God created life and then went to sleep?

Because that's where the evidence leads?

Certainly the Bible teaches that God is involved in the world. So why deny that he created different species as evolutionists constantly do.

Why insist that if God created different species, he didn't choose evolution as his instrument of creation? Now you're arguing interpretation. Find me two Christian sects that agree on every matter of theological interpretation and then ask yourself why they're different sects in the first place. Then we'll talk about all the other religions that claim to speak for God, and why none of them can agree with each other.

In fact, half the time their argument is 'you are not going to say that God did it are you?'. So yes, evolution does deny God and it does deny that God created life in the beginning.

G3K ... slow down. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, evolution is a scientific attempt to explain the diversity of life. Science presupposes no supernatural influences. You can't use science to say "God did it," because science doesn't allow for that hypothesis, whether it's about evolution or the germ theory, or aerodynamics. The reason isn't atheism, it's that you can't test the "God did it" theory. And again, you can assert that evolutionary theory has something to say about the creation of life, but that doesn't make it so. It's not part of the theory. To take a page from your postings, if you have proof of your assertion, "evolution does ... deny that God created life in the beginning," post it here. Asserting it will do no good. Find this statement in a scientific book about evolutionary theory, not a religious tract, and post it.

As to your posting on the Pope statement on evolution, yes, I read it, yes I remember it. And no, my opinion about it is none of your darn business.

I post it to point out that people seriously concerned with religion do not share your idea that evolutionary theory is atheistic. I keep prodding you about it because your every posting on the subject assumes the Pope's position is the same as an atheist's. I'd be interested in finding out how you've determined the Pope is wrong about Christian belief.

2,211 posted on 03/27/2002 7:20:30 AM PST by Gumlegs
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